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[kangarunner]

America is a live to work country, not a work to live country. America is basically a battlefield where everyone is pitted against each other. There's nothing holding anyone together here. Everyone is fed up with this country the more awakened they get to how f***ed up it is......

[OutcastedPhilosopher]

A percentage of men in the west are starting to drop out of society and it's easy to see why. There's no incentive to work hard anymore. Hard working beta men used to be respected but now they're treated like shit, there's no decent women for them and there's no community at all in the west, and you can't even afford to buy housing anymore even with a high salary job. More men each year are realizing there's no point in working hard and are becoming drug addicts or basement dwellers instead. They get the same level of respect (none) anyway so why bother working hard? That's also part of the reason why there's an employee shortage. Back in the day men could go to work and talk shit with other men, buy a house on their decent salary, and then go home and f**k their wife. This was a reliable way of knowing you would have productive men working their entire lives and keeping society going. They've made society so shitty for your average man that he sees no point in contributing.

I can't argue with that at all. I don't see any incentive as a 20 something man. The options for me are laughable in terms of women and employment. I have actively interviewed for multiple jobs that I am qualified for and who gets hired instead?....white women lol

Now I don't really care all that much because my current job is easy and stress-free. There really is no chance for me to buy a decent house at the current rate of pricing and I don't see the point there either as it seems as though we are on the verge of another massive financial meltdown.

I think the most demoralizing thing is seeing women who are just disgusting everywhere and I am supposed to marry one of these women? Absolutely not.

I think the best thing to do is to check out if you can or find an easy job. If you can learn some kind of skill to do a trade that won't kill you by the time you are fifty then that might be pretty good too like being a cabinet maker or something?

I think making a lot of money is entirely foolish also.....the taxes you are going to have to pay only fund everyone who hates you and lives off welfare....so why even bother with that shit? The whole system is a big scam.

[OutcastedPhilosopher]

America is a live to work country, not a work to live country. America is basically a battlefield where everyone is pitted against each other. There's nothing holding anyone together here. Everyone is fed up with this country the more awakened they get to how f***ed up it is......

This guy is on point. Overseas people are friendly and will even invite you to their house. Here in America, everyone is pissed off and on SSRI meds. LOL so true. I know so many people on this medicine.

[Tsar]

@Outcast9428

He's the most Base comedian and he's 100% honest. He's a comedian but everything he's saying is actually 100% serious, true, and facts.

This related to the topic because it related to how there's no incentive to work hard in America.

[flowerthief00]

No argument from me either. All I can say is try to enjoy society for what it is and not for what it's not. It's arguably not designed around rewarding the behaviors of being honest, hard-working, responsible in the present day.

But it's still an amazing time to be alive in many ways. Just the fact that someone can survive as a basement dweller is remarkable when you think about it. Most people throughout history didn't have even that option. (and many of us today still don't)

[flowerthief00]

All right, I lied, that wasn't all I can say. Let me say this too:

Have you ever heard words such as the following?

"Man up!"
"Be a man!"
"A man should make something of himself!"

Of course you have. We all have. Countless times. We hear it in movies and music. We hear it from our family and friends. We even hear it said on this board from time to time.

Yet never in my life--NOT ONCE!--have I ever heard the equivalent addressed to females. Never have I ever heard anyone say "Woman up" or "A woman should make something of herself". Have you?

Apparently, women are not expected to do anything. Only men are. Under a paradigm of traditional gender roles that can make a kind of sense, but under a paradigm of gender equality that's called a double standard. That is sexism. Any time somebody in the West tells you words such as the above you can and should call them out for their sexism.

[kangarunner]

@Tsar Full Version:

[WilliamSmith]

A percentage of men in the west are starting to drop out of society and it's easy to see why. There's no incentive to work hard anymore. Hard working beta men used to be respected but now they're treated like shit, there's no decent women for them and there's no community at all in the west, and you can't even afford to buy housing anymore even with a high salary job. More men each year are realizing there's no point in working hard and are becoming drug addicts or basement dwellers instead. They get the same level of respect (none) anyway so why bother working hard? That's also part of the reason why there's an employee shortage. Back in the day men could go to work and talk shit with other men, buy a house on their decent salary, and then go home and f**k their wife. This was a reliable way of knowing you would have productive men working their entire lives and keeping society going. They've made society so shitty for your average man that he sees no point in contributing.

@Mercer
You're right, that makes perfect sense and was well said.

It looks like an average guy who works hard in a more or less traditional context is being insulted and spat on constantly by today's "narratives" much of the time, so why bother conforming and towing the line at all, just so you can work more, have less fun, and then be torn down as though you're the bad guy?

But there's a big positive side to this: This is an awesome golden opportunity to dump your "societal programming" and come up with your own personal plan of what you want to do, find some kind of self-employment trades (or multiple trades so you have more than 1 income source), and decide how you want to live your own life by your own rules. No conformity with "normy" expectations required.

I got started on this kind of thing 10+ years ago just because I wanted the lifestyle freedom from being self-employed, but without things being as bad as it sounds like they are now. Even though some of my individual business ventures were a !@#$in PIA I wouldn't do twice in retrospect (eg providing some service type work to cheapskate entitled know-it-alls, LOL), self-employment is DEFINITELY the way to go, in my opinion. Well worth getting through the rocky phases and finding something that works for you.

Each person has to figure out what suits them individually obviously, but I've gotten out of doing service related stuff and have some modest internet businesses that earn a little, but my main thing I'm transitioning into more toward fulltime (and I think is one of the best for guys in this situation) is stock/etf trading. A member on here called Mr Peabody (if I remember right) started a thread about stock trading being the ideal business for a HA type expat somewhere on this forum, but I'll weigh back in on this again later too.

More generally: There are some good books out there with big lists of hundreds of different ideas about different self-employment internet-based businesses you could do. (I'm sure you could find them on the net, but I'll find the ones I have and post some thread about it later.)

But yeah, back to the main point: These days with what's left of "Western" society completely deteriorating in a slapstick carnival of perversion with all the drugs and woke culture, gender confusion, whining and hostility simultaneously, extreme pornos and bdsm being pushed mainstream, censorship, etc--- damn, why should an average guy feel embarrassed to be a non-conformist in this !@#$ed environment??
Time to say "@!#$ this", and go do your own thing.
I read enough Robert E Howard or watched Han Solo in Star Wars enough as a kid that I always saw being more of a renegade loner as cooler and more alpha anyway, LOL. But now guys who are a little more inclined to have been "average joes" by nature can do it too, and see it as an opportunity.

[WilliamSmith]

I think the best thing to do is to check out if you can or find an easy job. If you can learn some kind of skill to do a trade that won't kill you by the time you are fifty then that might be pretty good too like being a cabinet maker or something?

I think making a lot of money is entirely foolish also.....the taxes you are going to have to pay only fund everyone who hates you and lives off welfare....so why even bother with that shit? The whole system is a big scam.

@OutcastedPhilosopher
I definitely agree with some of what you said, but my opinion on it: Big yes on getting a solid trade (or multiple trades), ideally ones you can take with you anywhere, whether online, or practice overseas offline later on too.

But re: the whole system being a scam so not bothering to aim for high earnings, that's fair enough if the high earnings were some kind of a keeping-up-with-the-Joneses thing (to buy McMansions or new cars you don't even really want, then get reamed with a high tax bill to pay for satanic tranny gender change adoption programs and gangbanger breeding programs or something). But if you're working on a trade that pays you well, treat the taxes as the cost of doing business and don't worry about where they're going, instead have it be an incentive to get yourself out of the !@#$hole societies and renounce your citizenship later when you find a new one, so you don't have to pay anymore after you make your escape! Until then, base the decision on how much you want to bother earning in the USSA (or similarly woke !@#$holes going down the tubes like UK, Western Europe, Canada, etc) on your own goals.

I don't like paying higher self employment taxes to support globohomo, zionist warmongering, bolshevik lives matter riots, satanic trannies, etc either, and if I ever get any of the social security $$ back they made me pay in I'll be totally surprised and shocked-- but I just accept it and don't let it bother me anyway, because the extra earnings I do keep still make a way bigger difference than the amount they take from me in taxes (especially now I'm trading stocks more).

Of course, getting out of one of these !@#ed "Western" countries as early as you can is better if you can do that in the early phase.

The key thing is to have a trade to support yourself, but also FREEDOM, so you don't have to play by someone else's rules anymore than absolutely necessary to survive. Just look what happened lately, where thousands upon thousands of employees were forced out of work because they wouldn't inject themselves with the NWO experimental gene toxic waste that tons of companies mandated. I wonder how many people had actually been grinding for years toward some kind of pension plan or something even when they hated their jobs in those companies, then all they'd worked for just went up in smoke when they got thrown out for refusing the jabs. Self-employed types like me weren't impacted by mandates. I never even considered getting one.

This is ironic I'm on here typing like crazy about taxes though, because that's exactly what I need to get my ass off this forum and go finish filing today, so that I don't have to pay a penalty for late-filing, LOL.

[Outcast9428]

All right, I lied, that wasn't all I can say. Let me say this too:

Have you ever heard words such as the following?

"Man up!"
"Be a man!"
"A man should make something of himself!"

Of course you have. We all have. Countless times. We hear it in movies and music. We hear it from our family and friends. We even hear it said on this board from time to time.

Yet never in my life--NOT ONCE!--have I ever heard the equivalent addressed to females. Never have I ever heard anyone say "Woman up" or "A woman should make something of herself". Have you?

Apparently, women are not expected to do anything. Only men are. Under a paradigm of traditional gender roles that can make a kind of sense, but under a paradigm of gender equality that's called a double standard. That is sexism. Any time somebody in the West tells you words such as the above you can and should call them out for their sexism.

I mean personally I don’t really care if a girl has major accomplishments or money or something along those lines. I think women should have different expectations placed on them. When I think of “woman up” I’d think of a girl becoming beautiful, taking a nurturing role such as learning how to keep a garden, raise a pet, and how to keep her husband happy when she marries.

They should avoid destructive life choices such as promiscuity, perversion, overeating and obesity, drug/alcohol addiction, tattoos, body piercings, and gambling problems. Women should celebrate their own cuteness and daintiness instead of trying to be “strong independent women.” Women should dedicate themselves to finding a good man and weed degenerates and criminals out of their dating pool.

Women should have expectations placed on them, just not the same ones.

[flowerthief00]

^ Those are hardly rigorous expectations, haha. Those positive expectations are basically hobbies. Those negative expectations are pretty much expectations you'd want for either gender.

"A man should make something of himself" calls for the shedding of major blood, sweat, and tears.

[Outcast9428]

^ Those are hardly rigorous expectations, haha. Those positive expectations are basically hobbies. Those negative expectations are pretty much expectations you'd want for either gender.

"A man should make something of himself" calls for the shedding of major blood, sweat, and tears.

They really aren’t rigorous are they? Lmao. Funny how 80-90% of girls act like these expectations are too much.

[kangarunner]

America is not a country. It should be called AmericaCorp or some business name because we all just live inside a big business and are the workers in it. Everyone treats everyone else like shit.

[NPCslammer]

America is not a country. It should be called AmericaCorp or some business name because we all just live inside a big business and are the workers in it. Everyone treats everyone else like shit.

I honestly want to go back to America just for a few months, merely to gauge how bad everything has gotten. Seeing things in the news and social media makes it look like a hellhole. But I’m really curious as to how bad it actually is. I know that a decade ago it was already like this, so I imagine it’s 100 times worse.

[Will N. Dowd]

It's the same nonsense in Canada with a worse climate and 1/9th the population.
I stopped working in 2012 and only miss the pay cheques and employee discounts.