Why so many Anglos turn to homosexuality (1 in 6 Zoomers is queer)

[Shemp]

I note there are some new forum members here. For their information, I would like to point out that @MrMan has long been suspected by myself and other longtime members of being a borderline closet homosexual who is prone to gay panic attacks whenever this topic arises in the forum, so no surprise that he was the first to reply to the OP. All of his arguments should be interpreted in that light.

As for OP's question, that 1/6 figure is from someone with an agenda who phrased the survey question in a very misleading way, plus many of these zoomers, like all young people, will say anything to conform to current youth generation norms and be trendy, regardless of what they truly believe or whether they even understand what they are saying.

In my experience, I was propositioned while walking around much more in Spain (numerous times, including some shepherd whipping his dick out, then tried to shove his hand down my pants before I pushed him away and raised my fist threateningly) or Greece (twice, but I haven't spent as much time in Greece as Spain) than in United States (only in San Francisco, but that is homo central), Britain (never), France (never), Eastern Europe (once, but it was a very cautious and ambiguous proposition, by a guy who wrongly assumed that anyone who had once lived in San Francisco must be gay), Turkey (never, but I only visited there once). In San Francisco, my girlfriend forced me to go to a party which was full of Arab pansies whooping it up about how they loved Dubai and hinting about obscene goings on there, plus I have other information to the effect that homosexuality is very common among arabs, and always has been because access to women is so restricted. As others have noted, trannies are everywhere in Philippines and Thailand. So forget this notion that homos are more prevalent in Anglo countries. It's probably 5% homos .05% true lesbians everywhere, due to developmental disorders during early childhood sexual learning process. Another 5% of women are fake lesbians, who want love more than sex, but they can't get love from men because they are ugly and fat, so they hook up with another ugly fatty in a sexless relationship and raise a litter of cats.

Propaganda about the normality of homosexuality and transgenderism is much more common in the Anglo world because the Anglo world has always been about moral superiority, virtue signaling, etc. Culture imperialism is a way to spearhead economic imperialism and then military imperialism. Which is why the USA and Western Europe are so adamant about shoving wokeness on Eastern Europe including Ukraine. First wokeness (LBGTQ parades, tattoos, etc), then free trade agreements that benefit Wall Street, then NATO to make sure the economic colonies become military colonies and hence can't rebel.

[WanderingProtagonist]

I note there are some new forum members here. For their information, I would like to point out that @MrMan has long been suspected by myself and other longtime members of being a borderline closet homosexual who is prone to gay panic attacks whenever this topic arises in the forum, so no surprise that he was the first to reply to the OP. All of his arguments should be interpreted in that light.

As for OP's question, that 1/6 figure is from someone with an agenda who phrased the survey question in a very misleading way, plus many of these zoomers, like all young people, will say anything to conform to current youth generation norms and be trendy, regardless of what they truly believe or whether they even understand what they are saying.

In my experience, I was propositioned while walking around much more in Spain (numerous times, including some shepherd whipping his dick out, then tried to shove his hand down my pants before I pushed him away and raised my fist threateningly) or Greece (twice, but I haven't spent as much time in Greece as Spain) than in United States (only in San Francisco, but that is homo central), Britain (never), France (never), Eastern Europe (once, but it was a very cautious and ambiguous proposition, by a guy who wrongly assumed that anyone who had once lived in San Francisco must be gay), Turkey (never, but I only visited there once). In San Francisco, my girlfriend forced me to go to a party which was full of Arab pansies whooping it up about how they loved Dubai and hinting about obscene goings on there, plus I have other information to the effect that homosexuality is very common among arabs, and always has been because access to women is so restricted. As others have noted, trannies are everywhere in Philippines and Thailand. So forget this notion that homos are more prevalent in Anglo countries. It's probably 5% homos .05% true lesbians everywhere, due to developmental disorders during early childhood sexual learning process. Another 5% of women are fake lesbians, who want love more than sex, but they can't get love from men because they are ugly and fat, so they hook up with another ugly fatty in a sexless relationship and raise a litter of cats.

Propaganda about the normality of homosexuality and transgenderism is much more common in the Anglo world because the Anglo world has always been about moral superiority, virtue signaling, etc. Culture imperialism is a way to spearhead economic imperialism and then military imperialism. Which is why the USA and Western Europe are so adamant about shoving wokeness on Eastern Europe including Ukraine. First wokeness (LBGTQ parades, tattoos, etc), then free trade agreements that benefit Wall Street, then NATO to make sure the economic colonies become military colonies and hence can't rebel.

This man right here gets it, have to say you've earned my respect for this post. You truly understand the truth and you spoke the truth.

[WanderingProtagonist]

If there are Latinos that think the same way, maybe they inherited it. The word 'virtue' derives from a word that in the ancient world, had to do with the idea of what kind of a man one should be-- masculine virtues. Being the arsenokoite 'pitcher' is just as bad as being the malakos 'catcher, thought. Both are wicked defiling acts to be involved in. The Village People's songs were still gay even if they liked a 'macho man.'

I think that Latinos did inherit the Greco-Roman conception of homosexuality to a degree. It was most likely brought over from Spain and Portugal and to a lesser extent from Italy by Southern European settlers as part of the whole Mediterranean "machismo" culture which arguably dates back to the Roman period. This way of thinking seems to be particularly strong in Brazil. The country has one of the largest trans populations in the world and droves of Brazilian men have sex with Tgurls or "travestis" as they are called in the local language yet don't consider themselves any less macho for it.

Virtue comes from the Latin word virtus which in turn derives from vir (man). The Greco-Roman conception of masculine virtue differed significantly from the Hebrew or Anglo-Protestant conception thereof. In Greco-Roman society only the passive malakos was considered to lack masculine virtue since he adopted the receptive feminine role and therefore had his masculinity violated. The active masculine penetrator wasn't seen to have lost any of his virtue as a man since he adopted the dominant role and didn't allow himself to be emasculated. Only men who gave their own asses to other men and were therefore f***ed like women were subjected to mockery and contempt. Men who f***ed effeminate malakoi were not seen as any less macho. This is a conception of homosexuality born out of an extreme form of machismo which associated manhood with penetration and dominance.

I myself am neither for nor against homosexuality. I simply recognize that it exists as an objective phenomenon regardless of whether people view it as immoral or not. This being the case, I seek to understand it from a biological and cultural perspective. I often see myself as a scholar who observes from afar in an effort to discover the causes and characteristics of the phenomena of the world.

Nowadays masculine men who are exclusively attracted to femininity and who are not attracted to masculine traits at all can end up dating and having sex with extremely feminine transformers in a relationship dynamic that is identical to that of heterosexuality. It would be senseless to argue that such men are gay since they are attracted to their partner's perfect feminine beauty and take the dominant masculine role, a fortiori if the transformer is post-op and therefore no longer has a schlong. Yet the transformer herself is still a male sexual invert and a feminized homosexual. She doesn't automatically become a woman just because she takes hormones or has had her Tgurl surgery. The transformer is still gay but the gynephilic masculine dude who bones her is not since he is neither androphilic nor passive. Hence the modern validity of the Greco-Roman model.

No, it's still gay. Especially if he knows it and is still gay.

But would it really make sense to call such a guy "gay"? Male homosexuality is necessarily characterized by androphilia, i.e., attraction to masculine features. A masculine man who has sex with a feminine Tgurl is attracted to the Tgurl's feminine attractors (sexological term) even if these are artificial (i.e., via hormones and surgeries). It's as though the Tgurl's sexy feminine appearance is hijacking the man's heterosexual instincts. This situation isn't the same as homosexuality.

Besides, true Tgurls (HSTS) are not the same as regular men from a psychological perspective. Though biologically male, they're sexual inverts from birth and naturally have very feminine mannerisms, a very girlish psyche and even strong neotenous tendencies. Interacting with them on a social level feels totally different from interacting with a dude. My Ecuadorian friend's niece (yeah, I use niece out of politeness) is a feminine Tgurl and talking to her feels just like talking to a female. I'm convinced that true Tgurls (not the autogynephilic fetishists) are feminized in some way also at the level of the psyche or soul.

If some man scientist tied you up and whacked off your junk and dug a feminine looking hole and filled you with hormones, you would still be a man.

Not only would I still be a man but I would still be masculine too. That is because I'm not a sexual invert from birth. I don't have a naturally feminine nature. Fetishistic AGP men rarely ever become feminine for this same reason -- they're naturally masculine and don't have a feminine nature. True Tgurls (HSTS) on the other hand are often so naturally effeminate in terms of their physique and psyche that they don't know how to live as men. Even in traditional Latino cultures their families usually just give up on trying to make them masculine and just accept that they are trans once all efforts to change them have failed.

If all women are a little crazy, I would imagine a man who dates a trans man trying to be a girl is in for a whole lot of crazy. Same with homosexuals. They gays probably want to have sex a lot, and women typically have a limit or it goes up and down with their hormones and moods.

Tgurls as feminized gayboys are known to have a higher sex drive and lust for sex than most women. I think this is one of the reasons why some guys date them. From what I've heard, it's just so much easier to get sex from a Tgurl than from a woman. And in places like Brazil plenty of Tgurls are hot and feminine enough for a less homophobic guy to suspend his disbelief.

Anecdotally, there is actually a not-so-feminine post-op tranny in my town who has slept with many of the men here. @Pixel--Dude will know who I mean. I suspect that those guys are willing to sleep with her out of pure horniness and desperation once they find themselves in a drunken stupor. They are most likely turned on by her big titties (hijacking of heterosexual instincts) and hit on her because they know that she is always willing to put out. I suppose that some of those guys are also incels and have no other options. Pixel--Dude and myself have never f***ed her though, just for the record. We don't find her feminine even in the slightest and, fortunately, I don't even drink!

@Lucas what you and of course @Mr.Man keep failing to realize though is most of those men want transgirls with DICKS. There is a very good reason why the post-op ones get ignored, overlooked, even in porn they've been told that if they cut it off it's over because more men will flock right to real p***y vs looking at some deformed man made one where their dick use to be. This is why the porn industry with transgenders almost all of them are Non-op I will say around 98% are Non-Ops, and only about a very small percentage will go Post-Op or already did it but they know what's up, either change careers or stay in the industry and become irrelevant, useless, and incapable of competing against actual women or other trans that never got rid of their tool.

There are a lot of men who claim to be "macho or even hetero" but once you let that Tgirl f**k you with their dick, you suck on it and then the grand finale they cum in your face/mouth or inside your ass. You can forget about all that fake ass I'm macho straight bullshit . Since that trans is now the one dominating you the same way a woman would be doing if she f***ed you with a strap on, had you sucking on it, or even f***ed you in the Amazon position which is a female dominant sex position where the man is literately spreading his leg like a woman and she's f***ing him as if she's the man herself. There are men that get off on being with dominant women but they cannot form such a relationship with genetic women because if they try...She will without a shadow of a doubt find him repulsive. I've been told by some men from other countries "well our girls don't like dominant men." And I couldn't figure out to believe this or not.

Most men are only interested in transsexuals that are Non-Op or Pre-Op but the Post-Op ones get ignored both in porn and outside of pornography. They even complain about the non-ops taking all the men and attention away from them. I use to be a paying member on Myladyboydate.com and the Post-Ops were always fussing about the lack of attention they got from men compared to their Non-op competitors (transgenders that will not get surgery). I must also point out that lots of men also prefer TOPs (Dominant) over BOTTOMS (Submissive) or VERSATILE (taking turns dominating each other).

In other words they want a full blown dominant woman, and because transgenders aren't women but are capable of all the things women aren't in a relationship due to nature. It's easy to date one that will still love you while having dominance over you in a relationship. They won't be disgusted or repulsed by the fact you are submitting to their dominance. Something that's not even close to being possible in a relationship with actual women other than BDSM relationships and those aren't exactly normal relationships because the sole purpose of those relationships is to be humiliated while appreciating it, so it's no better than being a dumbass cuckold that get off on seeing other men taking your woman in front of you.

I'm talking about regular dating relationships, A TOP will not let you f**k them with your dick, they want to be the one dominating you all the way and lots of "straight" men go for TOPS like crazy especially since the TOPs tend to have big ass dicks or so I've been told by people with experience dating them and can still get erections even after they've been hitting the estrogen drugs...So believe me, most men seeking trans are attracted to the masculinity nature of them more than they are of the feminine aspect. If they were truly attracted to feminine features, they would be pursuing post-ops over non-ops or at least choosing bottoms more over Tops. But that just isn't the case since a lot of these men want a dominant woman but know it's impossible with actual women.

It's just that they don't want to be dominated by someone who looks like a man, they want to be dominated by a female but one with a dick since they have no interest in Post-Ops or anyone planning to get surgery down there. Non-ops also know they are highly desired compared to the post-ops so you end up with far more transgenders refusing to cut it off and just keeping it even if some of them can't get an erection. Just the fact that they can tell a man "I'm non-op" will gain them attention so the Post-Ops struggle a lot more than actual women do when it comes down to dating. Plus most men find the man made vaginas nasty looking and disturbing also and some articles even claimed they can end up with problems down there after cutting it off.

I think a lot of men these days are attracted to masculine features in women, I mean look at women that work out. They have abs, toned bodies, muscle, etc Men find that stuff sexy despite muscular features are masculine features. Feminine looking women don't have any muscle. Look up photos of women from Romania wearing the traditional clothes and then compare their bodies to the bodies of women that hit the gym. The women that look like MMA fighters and shit are very masculine but again, even men with masculine body features themselves go for these kind of women. This is why fitness women are always dating fitness men vs being involved with a man who has a scrawny or out of shape appearance. It's the same thing with the women bodybuilders that look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

They are desired by weakly looking men, but they prefer a guy that look just as strong as they do. I mean women like Rhonda Rowsey is one manly looking bitch, but men that hit the gym would still be all over her despite they can have a feminine looking woman instead doesn't feel like she needs to beat up on other women inside a steel cage blooding their faces and breaking their arms just to prove how strong they are. Men who watch women MMA don't strike me as masculine males despite the guys claiming to be into the sport themselves. They are just a bunch of passive males with muscles that know martial arts but still find masculine women appealing that can kick people's asses inside a cage, and they probably fantasize about them kicking their asses but know it isn't possible since these women get their asses kicked by tranny MMA fighters all the damn time which I find weird how these people exist in almost every sport nowadays.

That's why I laugh when people try to make it seem like dominant men who know martial arts are incapable of being beta minded, but most of them really are. They are the type of men that envy strong and masculine women since they share the same atmosphere with them. It wouldn't surprise me if most MMA guys are in favor of feminism also since more men watch the sport than women do and I'm sure they also "respect" and "admire" those dominant women that beat the hell out of one another. They aren't watching feminine women sing or dance around the garden, no they are getting off on masculine aggressive women beating up each other as if they are violent men themselves inside a cage. It's like Jet Li can throw down and fight with the best of them, but he literately spoke like a feminist when they were interviewing him about the Mulan film and he was talking as if he was in favor of feminism sneaking it's way into China. To me the only men I believe are masculine with no interest at all in any masculine features would have to be a man that dates feminine women, has zero interest at all in any masculinity features and that includes fitness chicks, but almost every man find women with fitness bodies attractive vs a woman with curves or just average/normal features.

I will attest to the fact some men do go for trans people out of desperation. I know for a fact that's why I did it. But not every man does it out of desperation, some do it for fetish reasons, others just figured they may have a better longer lasting relationship with them because they tend to cheat a lot less. Men worry about bringing their women from their native nations over to places like America due to insecurities of her turning against them. This isn't something men involved with transgenders have to worry about at least I don't think Western culture would influence them to betray someone, after all unlike women they don't have options. Most men will just see them as a fetish, so they probably wouldn't back stab someone that brought them over from the Philippines to America like some of the women would probably do just because. I believe the younger the girl, the harder it is to keep them from going astray.

[Outcast9428]

I note there are some new forum members here. For their information, I would like to point out that @MrMan has long been suspected by myself and other longtime members of being a borderline closet homosexual who is prone to gay panic attacks whenever this topic arises in the forum, so no surprise that he was the first to reply to the OP. All of his arguments should be interpreted in that light.

As for OP's question, that 1/6 figure is from someone with an agenda who phrased the survey question in a very misleading way, plus many of these zoomers, like all young people, will say anything to conform to current youth generation norms and be trendy, regardless of what they truly believe or whether they even understand what they are saying.

In my experience, I was propositioned while walking around much more in Spain (numerous times, including some shepherd whipping his dick out, then tried to shove his hand down my pants before I pushed him away and raised my fist threateningly) or Greece (twice, but I haven't spent as much time in Greece as Spain) than in United States (only in San Francisco, but that is homo central), Britain (never), France (never), Eastern Europe (once, but it was a very cautious and ambiguous proposition, by a guy who wrongly assumed that anyone who had once lived in San Francisco must be gay), Turkey (never, but I only visited there once). In San Francisco, my girlfriend forced me to go to a party which was full of Arab pansies whooping it up about how they loved Dubai and hinting about obscene goings on there, plus I have other information to the effect that homosexuality is very common among arabs, and always has been because access to women is so restricted. As others have noted, trannies are everywhere in Philippines and Thailand. So forget this notion that homos are more prevalent in Anglo countries. It's probably 5% homos .05% true lesbians everywhere, due to developmental disorders during early childhood sexual learning process. Another 5% of women are fake lesbians, who want love more than sex, but they can't get love from men because they are ugly and fat, so they hook up with another ugly fatty in a sexless relationship and raise a litter of cats.

Propaganda about the normality of homosexuality and transgenderism is much more common in the Anglo world because the Anglo world has always been about moral superiority, virtue signaling, etc. Culture imperialism is a way to spearhead economic imperialism and then military imperialism. Which is why the USA and Western Europe are so adamant about shoving wokeness on Eastern Europe including Ukraine. First wokeness (LBGTQ parades, tattoos, etc), then free trade agreements that benefit Wall Street, then NATO to make sure the economic colonies become military colonies and hence can't rebel.

That’s bullshit, MrMan is the most based member of this forum. No man who likes Asian girls could be gay. They’re the most overtly feminine race of women and he is clearly very much loving his marriage. Typical “oh if you hate it then you must be one of them” type retarded logic.

[Lucas88]

@Lucas what you and of course @Mr.Man keep failing to realize though is most of those men want transgirls with DICKS. There is a very good reason why the post-op ones get ignored, overlooked, even in porn they've been told that if they cut it off it's over because more men will flock right to real p***y vs looking at some deformed man made one where their dick use to be. This is why the porn industry with transgenders almost all of them are Non-op I will say around 98% are Non-Ops, and only about a very small percentage will go Post-Op or already did it but they know what's up, either change careers or stay in the industry and become irrelevant, useless, and incapable of competing against actual women or other trans that never got rid of their tool.

I don't deny that a subset of trans-attracted men seek pre-op Tgurls precisely for the dick. They are attracted to femininity yet at the same time wish to take the passive role in the sexual act. One might assume that those guys who wanna be f***ed by a pre-op Tgurl are simply repressed homosexuals but in reality the matter goes deeper than that. The GAMPs study which looked at men who were primarily attracted to gynandromorphs (i.e., shemales) found that about 50% of them were autogynephilic themselves and had feminization fantasies of their own. This good 50% of autogynephilic gynandromorphophiles (i.e., shemale lovers) most likely overlaps largely with the trans-attracted men who want to be topped. The reason why these men seek dominant pre-op Tgurls is because they want to live out their fantasy of being f***ed like a woman. Indeed some even pay TS escorts to dress them up in female attire before the sexual act takes place. These guys are not gay in the strictest sense because they are attracted to femininity and the dominant partner who emasculates them has to look like a woman (otherwise they'd just choose to be f***ed by a masculine man). They are in most cases purely AGP fetishists.

As a brief parenthesis, these AGP fetishists who take the passive role with a Tgurl certainly wouldn't be considered macho at all according to the Greco-Roman conception. They would be derided as totally unmacho and considered to have lost all masculine virtue due to their emasculation.

But then there are the other trans-attracted men who seek Tgurls because they find them hotter or more feminine than women or find them more relatable or simply seek them out of desperation. MrMan asserts that all men who knowingly date or sleep with a Tgurl are gay since Tgurls are genetically male -- an extremely simplistic argument which doesn't take into account any of the real dynamics of human sexuality. Yes, Tgurls (HSTS) are male sexual inverts and are indeed gay themselves, but the masculine men who find them attractive are attracted to their feminine features and are therefore not gay. These men are generally not androphilic at all. If they were gay (i.e., androphilic males) they would just date and sleep with other masculine men but they don't. They only date feminine Tgurls and often make it clear that they only like the most feminine ones. People like MrMan might not approve of these men's choice of sexual partners for moral or religious reasons but it doesn't make any sense to assert that they are gay. Such guys are often exclusively gynephilic and choose to date Tgurls for some of the non-gay reasons included above.

I do MMA but I'm not attracted at all to female MMA fighters. Masculine physical and psychological traits in a woman is a major turnoff for me. I would much rather be with a traditional hyperfeminine female who is turned on by the fact that I am trained in MMA. I want my masculinity to be complementary to her femininity and vice versa. As for fitness models, I only like the feminine bootybuilder types like Michelle Lewin. Muscular females on the other hand just gross me out.

[Tsar]

@Lucas what you and of course @Mr.Man keep failing to realize though is most of those men want transgirls with DICKS. There is a very good reason why the post-op ones get ignored, overlooked, even in porn they've been told that if they cut it off it's over because more men will flock right to real p***y vs looking at some deformed man made one where their dick use to be. This is why the porn industry with transgenders almost all of them are Non-op I will say around 98% are Non-Ops, and only about a very small percentage will go Post-Op or already did it but they know what's up, either change careers or stay in the industry and become irrelevant, useless, and incapable of competing against actual women or other trans that never got rid of their tool.

I don't deny that a subset of trans-attracted men seek pre-op Tgurls precisely for the dick. They are attracted to femininity yet at the same time wish to take the passive role in the sexual act. One might assume that those guys who wanna be f***ed by a pre-op Tgurl are simply repressed homosexuals but in reality the matter goes deeper than that. The GAMPs study which looked at men who were primarily attracted to gynandromorphs (i.e., shemales) found that about 50% of them were autogynephilic themselves and had feminization fantasies of their own. This good 50% of autogynephilic gynandromorphophiles (i.e., shemale lovers) most likely overlaps largely with the trans-attracted men who want to be topped. The reason why these men seek dominant pre-op Tgurls is because they want to live out their fantasy of being f***ed like a woman. Indeed some even pay TS escorts to dress them up in female attire before the sexual act takes place. These guys are not gay in the strictest sense because they are attracted to femininity and the dominant partner who emasculates them has to look like a woman (otherwise they'd just choose to be f***ed by a masculine man). They are in most cases purely AGP fetishists.

As a brief parenthesis, these AGP fetishists who take the passive role with a Tgurl certainly wouldn't be considered macho at all according to the Greco-Roman conception. They would be derided as totally unmacho and considered to have lost all masculine virtue due to their emasculation.

But then there are the other trans-attracted men who seek Tgurls because they find them hotter or more feminine than women or find them more relatable or simply seek them out of desperation. MrMan asserts that all men who knowingly date or sleep with a Tgurl are gay since Tgurls are genetically male -- an extremely simplistic argument which doesn't take into account any of the real dynamics of human sexuality. Yes, Tgurls (HSTS) are male sexual inverts and are indeed gay themselves, but the masculine men who find them attractive are attracted to their feminine features and are therefore not gay. These men are generally not androphilic at all. If they were gay (i.e., androphilic males) they would just date and sleep with other masculine men but they don't. They only date feminine Tgurls and often make it clear that they only like the most feminine ones. People like MrMan might not approve of these men's choice of sexual partners for moral or religious reasons but it doesn't make any sense to assert that they are gay. Such guys are often exclusively gynephilic and choose to date Tgurls for some of the non-gay reasons included above.

I do MMA but I'm not attracted at all to female MMA fighters. Masculine physical and psychological traits in a woman is a major turnoff for me. I would much rather be with a traditional hyperfeminine female who is turned on by the fact that I am trained in MMA. I want my masculinity to be complementary to her femininity and vice versa. As for fitness models, I only like the feminine bootybuilder types like Michelle Lewin. Muscular females on the other hand just gross me out.

No, I disagree.

Girls can wear a strapon and peg a guy for something straight where a real girl dominates them. Guys can do that if they want to get f*cked like a girl by a girl.

A guy that would have sex a shemale and get f*cked by one is simply bisexual. No other explanation needed.

A relationship between a Real Male + Real Female involving Sex between "Sexually Mature Individuals" is Straight.

Anything involving Same-Sex Genetic People is Homosexual. Doesn't matter of one looks like an Opposite-Sex Individual, it's still homosexual.

Now, I agree, that gender is a little more complicated because a masculine boyish girl of a feminine girly boy who are trans, are sort of neither. Which means they're degenerate freaks.

There's a reason why real straight people and real homosexuals and many bi people don't want trannies!

[Lucas88]

No, I disagree.

Girls can wear a strapon and peg a guy for something straight where a real girl dominates them. Guys can do that if they want to get f*cked like a girl by a girl.

A guy that would have sex a shemale and get f*cked by one is simply bisexual. No other explanation needed.

Have you looked into the sexological literature on this topic and are you sure that there's no other explanation needed?

By sexological literature I mean actual clinical research and not today's ideological activism-inspired propaganda. There are studies and already well-established theories concerning attraction to Tgurls and autogynephilia.

There are reasons why an autogynephilic fetishist might prefer to be topped by a Tgurl rather than by a woman: 1) Tgurls are naturally better penetrators than women because they are feminized males themselves; 2) Some autogynephilic fetishists seek to live vicariously through the Tgurls whom they date. AGP men want to become trans themselves and have a strong fascination for transition itself. Being with an already transitioned Tgurl turns them on.

I don't think that a guy can be truly bisexual unless he is attracted to both women and cisgender men. Most trans-attracted men aren't attracted to the latter and so the term bisexual doesn't really fit in this case.

[WanderingProtagonist]

@Lucas what you and of course @Mr.Man keep failing to realize though is most of those men want transgirls with DICKS. There is a very good reason why the post-op ones get ignored, overlooked, even in porn they've been told that if they cut it off it's over because more men will flock right to real p***y vs looking at some deformed man made one where their dick use to be. This is why the porn industry with transgenders almost all of them are Non-op I will say around 98% are Non-Ops, and only about a very small percentage will go Post-Op or already did it but they know what's up, either change careers or stay in the industry and become irrelevant, useless, and incapable of competing against actual women or other trans that never got rid of their tool.

I don't deny that a subset of trans-attracted men seek pre-op Tgurls precisely for the dick. They are attracted to femininity yet at the same time wish to take the passive role in the sexual act. One might assume that those guys who wanna be f***ed by a pre-op Tgurl are simply repressed homosexuals but in reality the matter goes deeper than that. The GAMPs study which looked at men who were primarily attracted to gynandromorphs (i.e., shemales) found that about 50% of them were autogynephilic themselves and had feminization fantasies of their own. This good 50% of autogynephilic gynandromorphophiles (i.e., shemale lovers) most likely overlaps largely with the trans-attracted men who want to be topped. The reason why these men seek dominant pre-op Tgurls is because they want to live out their fantasy of being f***ed like a woman. Indeed some even pay TS escorts to dress them up in female attire before the sexual act takes place. These guys are not gay in the strictest sense because they are attracted to femininity and the dominant partner who emasculates them has to look like a woman (otherwise they'd just choose to be f***ed by a masculine man). They are in most cases purely AGP fetishists.

As a brief parenthesis, these AGP fetishists who take the passive role with a Tgurl certainly wouldn't be considered macho at all according to the Greco-Roman conception. They would be derided as totally unmacho and considered to have lost all masculine virtue due to their emasculation.

But then there are the other trans-attracted men who seek Tgurls because they find them hotter or more feminine than women or find them more relatable or simply seek them out of desperation. MrMan asserts that all men who knowingly date or sleep with a Tgurl are gay since Tgurls are genetically male -- an extremely simplistic argument which doesn't take into account any of the real dynamics of human sexuality. Yes, Tgurls (HSTS) are male sexual inverts and are indeed gay themselves, but the masculine men who find them attractive are attracted to their feminine features and are therefore not gay. These men are generally not androphilic at all. If they were gay (i.e., androphilic males) they would just date and sleep with other masculine men but they don't. They only date feminine Tgurls and often make it clear that they only like the most feminine ones. People like MrMan might not approve of these men's choice of sexual partners for moral or religious reasons but it doesn't make any sense to assert that they are gay. Such guys are often exclusively gynephilic and choose to date Tgurls for some of the non-gay reasons included above.

I do MMA but I'm not attracted at all to female MMA fighters. Masculine physical and psychological traits in a woman is a major turnoff for me. I would much rather be with a traditional hyperfeminine female who is turned on by the fact that I am trained in MMA. I want my masculinity to be complementary to her femininity and vice versa. As for fitness models, I only like the feminine bootybuilder types like Michelle Lewin. Muscular females on the other hand just gross me out.

I was trying to say that the women MMA fighter types mostly date guys who are the same as they are. Not exactly if he is into MMA but just men that look the part. I don't think any of those women would date a normal looking man who is out of shape, skinny, etc. Fitness model types always end up with men who are into fitness as well. That like men that look healthy like they do on a physical level. Female bodybuilders though lol they are extremely rare outside of the whole posing culture. Those are the type of women you would never spot so easily even if they stand out. You can easily encounter fat women, skinny women, fit women, but the body builder types that look like they can break your ass in two are extremely rare body types outside of the posing culture where they partake in those posing competitions.

I don't think transsexuals are more feminine than women though, it depends on the culture. Feminine women are everywhere in countries like Japan, Korea, etc. To meet a masculine woman in those countries you'd have to date a female wrestler. I think trans people tend to over react at times too, like they try way too hard at the feminine thing. Then you have the black trans people that act a lot like the black women do, the white ones of countries like America, Canada, UK, etc are pronoun f***ing freaks that get easily butthurt if you talk to them a certain way so they are extremely sensitive as hell and will even get mad if you call them a tranny, transsexual, shemale, etc so you have to use pc terms like transgender or trans-woman.

I've never had a trans person in the Philippines get mad because I called them a ladyboy. Most of them even claim themselves to be gay too like "I am a gay ladyboy." And they never put words like "looking for a straight man" in their profiles. I honestly think men that date trans people claiming to be straight is in denial. The fact is these people aren't women no matter how feminine they act, they are still men therefore that makes anyone dating them that is also a man, homosexual unless he is also attracted to women then that would make him bi-sexual. But a man can't exclusively date trans people and then outright lie to himself "I'm heterosexual!" That's what downlow males do out of shame and fear to just admit the truth. It makes no sense for a man to go after transgenders because he's turned on by feminine features.

Lots of women have feminine features, just not the shitty ones in Western countries that gave all that up to prove they are equals of man. But go to rural Romania in the countryside where the women still wear traditional Romanian wear, no tranny is going to compete with those girls in femininity. They can only outdo most city girls only when they aren't acting like a city girl themselves but they definitely cant compete with the motherly, sisterly, and natural womanly role of village or country side girls. Just no way. They are what women use to be before feminism and action female characters got a hold of the ones in the West. Meaning they reject careerism, and care for the family. They would never think about crazy shit like aborting babies either. Yet in America there were trans people protesting right up there with the ugly ass unattractive pro-abortion women. Something you wouldn't see women in the country side doing anywhere in the world because they haven't been taught to hate and resent motherhood.

[E Irizarry R&B Singer]

I note there are some new forum members here. For their information, I would like to point out that @MrMan has long been suspected by myself and other longtime members of being a borderline closet homosexual who is prone to gay panic attacks whenever this topic arises in the forum, so no surprise that he was the first to reply to the OP. All of his arguments should be interpreted in that light.

As for OP's question, that 1/6 figure is from someone with an agenda who phrased the survey question in a very misleading way, plus many of these zoomers, like all young people, will say anything to conform to current youth generation norms and be trendy, regardless of what they truly believe or whether they even understand what they are saying.

In my experience, I was propositioned while walking around much more in Spain (numerous times, including some shepherd whipping his dick out, then tried to shove his hand down my pants before I pushed him away and raised my fist threateningly) or Greece (twice, but I haven't spent as much time in Greece as Spain) than in United States (only in San Francisco, but that is homo central), Britain (never), France (never), Eastern Europe (once, but it was a very cautious and ambiguous proposition, by a guy who wrongly assumed that anyone who had once lived in San Francisco must be gay), Turkey (never, but I only visited there once). In San Francisco, my girlfriend forced me to go to a party which was full of Arab pansies whooping it up about how they loved Dubai and hinting about obscene goings on there, plus I have other information to the effect that homosexuality is very common among arabs, and always has been because access to women is so restricted. As others have noted, trannies are everywhere in Philippines and Thailand. So forget this notion that homos are more prevalent in Anglo countries. It's probably 5% homos .05% true lesbians everywhere, due to developmental disorders during early childhood sexual learning process. Another 5% of women are fake lesbians, who want love more than sex, but they can't get love from men because they are ugly and fat, so they hook up with another ugly fatty in a sexless relationship and raise a litter of cats.

Propaganda about the normality of homosexuality and transgenderism is much more common in the Anglo world because the Anglo world has always been about moral superiority, virtue signaling, etc. Culture imperialism is a way to spearhead economic imperialism and then military imperialism. Which is why the USA and Western Europe are so adamant about shoving wokeness on Eastern Europe including Ukraine. First wokeness (LBGTQ parades, tattoos, etc), then free trade agreements that benefit Wall Street, then NATO to make sure the economic colonies become military colonies and hence can't rebel.

In my experience, I was hit on by Black faeggots in 1997 - Charlotte NC USA - too many straight thug looking Black dudes would pull up to me whilst I was walking and they would offer me a ride and eventually they would try to offer to do me in their ride and then I'd implore them to pull over so I could get or or I'd bust their shit (ie. kick their ass).

Black faeggots in Chicago 1999 - 2006 intermittent times I lived there). Usually, they would try to pull up on me as if it were Michael Myers just sitting there in his Dodge Charger staring trying to holler at me like I'm one of rapper Future's new baby mommas that doesn't know it yet.

2002 - I was hit on in Steinway Street in Astoria Qns NYC by a Mark Calderon-from- (the George Michael looking guy) Color-Me-Badd looking dude whilst my sister burst out into laughter.

2003 - At a gas station just north of New Jersey state line, I was hit on by a Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs/Nordic looking dude which messed me up that if that guy were straight, he could have banged any woman he wanted type of Chad looking guy. My sister laughed touting me saying that she knew I was a fag all along.

2004-'5 - My Torontonian half Brazilian half St. Lucian BBW ex was a faghag that had a couple of gay male friends (although Sasha the Croatian fag was kinda cool) but the chubby White Canadian one always looked at my ass everytime he, she, and I ascended from out of the TTC subway station. My ex bitch tried to coerce me to watch every episode of Queer As Folk. One scene a dude ran into a patient's room at a hospital and ripped his shorts to the side to dick him down. Surviving Gayness....f**k Surviving R. Kelly series.

2006 - I guess I put on too much for them to hit on me anymore. I'm currently in the process of getting right away: jogging 2 miles daily....drinking water 4L+ (never 6L or I'd be dead not here typing) pissing like a race horse dropped 40 lbs in 2 months at the age of 48. I lose and gain quickly even at this age.

[Shemp]

@Lucas what you and of course @Mr.Man keep failing to realize though is most of those men want transgirls with DICKS.

I think you meant to write "...transgirls with a BIG SURPRISE!"

Also, while I'm not an expert, I do know there are 3 main branches of the tranny family tree: (a) small and lightly built naturally feminine-looking homosexuals who (incorrectly) think that they can get a heterosexual man to love them by turning themselves into fake women, including a vagina; (b) narcissists, who imagine themselves as beautiful women, including when masturbating since they don't have real sex, most of the huge trannies built like linebackers fall into this category, they mostly confine themselves to dressing like women, because they know they can never pass for a real woman, Caitlyn Jenner is one of these, this is the category of the political agitators; (c) the ones WonderingProtagonist talked about, who take hormones and look and act feminine but have a man's mind and still have that surprise between their legs--these are quite rare and in high demand by men who want something that looks like a woman but thinks like a man AND has that surprise.

I can definitely see the appeal of category 3, other than the surprise between the legs. One of the reasons I prefer GFE escorts (with no surprise between the legs) is they also have the body of a women (better than most women actually) but mind is much more like men than civilian women, or such is my experience. In particular, escorts understand the concept of a fair deal--I give money, they give GFE sex. None of this bullshit of enjoying the man's money but not giving him access to her body, like sexless wives. Bitchy homosexuals, on the other hand, have the body of a man (often a muscular man, as well) but the mind of a truly unpleasant woman.

[WanderingProtagonist]

@Lucas what you and of course @Mr.Man keep failing to realize though is most of those men want transgirls with DICKS.

I think you meant to write "...transgirls with a BIG SURPRISE!"

Also, while I'm not an expert, I do know there are 3 main branches of the tranny family tree: (a) small and lightly built naturally feminine-looking homosexuals who (incorrectly) think that they can get a heterosexual man to love them by turning themselves into fake women, including a vagina; (b) narcissists, who imagine themselves as beautiful women, including when masturbating since they don't have real sex, most of the huge trannies built like linebackers fall into this category, they mostly confine themselves to dressing like women, because they know they can never pass for a real woman, Caitlyn Jenner is one of these, this is the category of the political agitators; (c) the ones WonderingProtagonist talked about, who take hormones and look and act feminine but have a man's mind and still have that surprise between their legs--these are quite rare and in high demand by men who want something that looks like a woman but thinks like a man AND has that surprise.

I can definitely see the appeal of category 3, other than the surprise between the legs. One of the reasons I prefer GFE escorts (with no surprise between the legs) is they also have the body of a women (better than most women actually) but mind is much more like men than civilian women, or such is my experience. In particular, escorts understand the concept of a fair deal--I give money, they give GFE sex. None of this bullshit of enjoying the man's money but not giving him access to her body, like sexless wives. Bitchy homosexuals, on the other hand, have the body of a man (often a muscular man, as well) but the mind of a truly unpleasant woman.

See with me its like I am willing to make all sorts of extreme sacrifices even if other men simply can't do it. I won't judge them if they can't, but if I can't get women then I have no choice but to buy an expensive life size sex doll and ravage that instead because I cannot see myself ever paying an escort or prostitute for anything. I won't ever go the path of the Simp with this Onlyfans fake girlfriend experience garbage I see some men doing either. From what I read about Japan once they have like Cafe's or places where they can go and "rent" a woman to pretend to be their wives and so they literately get the ultimate wife experience from that.

I felt it was very sad they had to do this vs getting a woman that will be a real loving wife that want to make them happy but they have to pay for a false sense of marriage. It's almost like a dream. I can't do escorts or prostitutes I would feel guilty for one, and two having sex without commitment or love involved would make it difficult for me to get aroused no matter how attractive the person is I would just have this severe feeling and sense of depression like "I wish she cared about who I was, but this is just another day at the bank. I go in, make a deposit then leave."

[Lucas88]

I think trans people tend to over react at times too, like they try way too hard at the feminine thing.

I've found that a lot of Tgurls from places like Colombia and Brazilian are feminine in their behavior and mannerisms to an extreme degree. Indeed I think that it is this characteristic over-the-top hyperfemininity that often gives them away. I've met Tgurls who I thought that if they just toned down their behavior and mannerisms a little bit they'd be able to pass as women. But so many transformers just crank their femininity up to eleven as though they are trying to compensate for their born male status and going that extra mile to appear sexy to men.

I'd also like to comment that this category of Tgurl's femininity is not fake or entirely put on as some people assume. HSTS are natural sexual inverts and therefore display high levels of effeminacy and a preference for female gender roles from a young age. Often they are that naturally effeminate that they are unable to function in a male gender role despite all of the efforts of their family to chastise their effeminacy or encourage them to become more masculine. Becoming a "girl" is the most natural thing for them to do. But once they reach an age of sexual maturity spurred on by their innate gay instincts those same transformers become hellbent on attracting a masculine man and more often than not go completely overboard with their sexy feminine presentation.

Lots of women have feminine features, just not the shitty ones in Western countries that gave all that up to prove they are equals of man. But go to rural Romania in the countryside where the women still wear traditional Romanian wear, no tranny is going to compete with those girls in femininity.

I think that some trans-attracted men fall in love with this same over-the-top hyperfemininity which many Tgurls display. It hijacks their heterosexual instincts and totally enraptures them to the point where they come to appreciate it more than regular femininity and then begin to prefer Tgurls as an acquired taste despite having never had any previous interest in dicks or anything gay. Tgurls themselves understand this dynamic of hijacking a man's heterosexual instincts through an unusual form of hyperfemininity even if only on an instinctive level. They know that guys are going to choose a genetic female over them most of the time if they display merely a normal level of femininity. So they consciously hyperfeminize their own behavior and mannerisms in order to appeal to the aesthetic senses of that minority of men who are enraptured by that kind of hyperfemininity. They understand that they must offer something different.

Even though I'm a masculine dude who is crazy about thick brown Latinas with wide hips and big butts and find butt sex and any kind of gay shit disgusting, I admit that I find many Latin American transformers way sexier than real women and endowed with a hyperfeminine way of being which enraptures my senses. In light of what you've told us on this forum you've probably checked out Tgurl escort websites on more than one occasion. I know that I have out of curiosity. I found that a subset of the Tgurls on the websites looked way hotter than the female escorts on the straight section of the same websites. They blew them right out of the water! But unfortunately their stunning looks and exquisite hyperfemininity aren't the only things that they're endowed with. They're all packing heat and I don't think that I could ever be okay with a big Tgurl schlong in bed with me. But still I'd choose a brown, big-booty, hyperfeminine, sexy Latin American transformer over an ugly-ass, semi-masculine, no ass white-ass British Anglo bitch any day. I'd just have to take the gay label on the chin but still maintain my pride in knowing that I still have standards of quality.

[Tsar]

See with me its like I am willing to make all sorts of extreme sacrifices even if other men simply can't do it. I won't judge them if they can't, but if I can't get women then I have no choice but to buy an expensive life size sex doll and ravage that instead because I cannot see myself ever paying an escort or prostitute for anything. I won't ever go the path of the Simp with this Onlyfans fake girlfriend experience garbage I see some men doing either. From what I read about Japan once they have like Cafe's or places where they can go and "rent" a woman to pretend to be their wives and so they literately get the ultimate wife experience from that.

I felt it was very sad they had to do this vs getting a woman that will be a real loving wife that want to make them happy but they have to pay for a false sense of marriage. It's almost like a dream. I can't do escorts or prostitutes I would feel guilty for one, and two having sex without commitment or love involved would make it difficult for me to get aroused no matter how attractive the person is I would just have this severe feeling and sense of depression like "I wish she cared about who I was, but this is just another day at the bank. I go in, make a deposit then leave."

I am the same way. I would never SIMP or use an escort or prostitutes. It's not worth anything if it's a pay money and a girl leaves.

I'm just more extreme than most guys because I won't accept sloppy seconds. I don't want to be with sluts or females nearing the end of their expiration date for beauty and fertility.

[Shemp]

...having sex without commitment or love involved would make it difficult for me to get aroused no matter how attractive the person is I would just have this severe feeling and sense of depression like "I wish she cared about who I was, but this is just another day at the bank. I go in, make a deposit then leave."

You are assuming there is no commitment or love involved. My paid girlfriend and I have been together 6 years and there are some feelings resembling love, though certainly not strong love, but then I doubt I'm even capable of strong love at my age. Good sex, politeness, not much true love > bad sex, constant fighting and immature emotional love. I've experienced both combinations BTW.

Granted, this girlfriend and I are together only for the summer and only a few times each week for several hours (this summer is an exception, because she is living with me full-time in Chisinau to get away from the war in Ukraine), but you can pack a lot into several hours if you have the other person's undivided attention. Plus I actually prefer to be alone most of the time. As it is, I leave the apartment each morning (after sex) and spend the day by myself sitting in the park. Whole day together with anyone would drive me crazy. Lots of older men take up fishing for this reason. Even to the extent of ice fishing at 0°F in winter just to get away from their wife/girlfriend.

Once you are older and more red-pilled, you will understand that most women only want you at your best, just as most men only want women at their best. If a woman who was once beautiful, took care of her appearance, and acted pleasant, then changes to be fat, slovenly and unpleasant, then most men's love disappears. If a man who was handsome, rich, with high social status, good in bed and pleasant acting, then changes to be an obese alcoholic bum who no one respects, sexually impotent and unpleasant acting, then most women's love disappears. "For richer or poorer, in sickness or health, until death do you part" sounds nice but it's unrealistic in the face of huge changes in attractiveness like I just described. Maybe they won't divorce but the love will be gone.

In other words, even if you are married and thinks she loves you "for yourself", it's still another day at the bank, as you put it. When the deposits stop, that love is likely to stop as well, eventually. There are exceptions to this rule, of course, but those exceptions have their own issues. Martyr type women can drain your soul worse than regular women drain your wallet.

[kangarunner]

Once you are older and more red-pilled

Sometimes I'll run scams on older people (insurance, health supplements, etc), then keep the cash.....

Sometimes I'll go to Vegas and call up a few working girls I know there and sell time to tourists on the Strip.....

Sometimes I'll cash a fake disability check and then get a bottle of gin......

Sometimes I'll sit down at the poker table for the hell of it......

Sometimes I'll figure out new ways to fleece assholes......