Winston asked: Why does this forum attract so many psychos and posers?

[MrMan]

Regardless, I voted against banning Spencer in that other thread, so we have both valuable psychos such as Cornfed and me, and also at least some "creative writing accounts." (I used to think @MrMan was one, but I wasn't used to how many guys on here actually consider it normal to marry a virgin at the time.)

To me it is a sad commentary on our society that someone would automatically think a post about marrying a virgin or wanting to must be fiction. In reality, there are a lot of Christians who go to church and hear that fornication is a sin, who believe that, and abstain from fornication and adultery. It's just not a dominant theme in our culture anymore, and there are plenty of people spouting an opposing argument.

If you think about it, it does make sense. Just think of all the disadvantages those born outside of marriage without their own father in the home face. Where does that come from? Fornication? STDs generally come fornication or adultery. A couple of virgins can get married and have sex like wild rabbits, and they don't have to worry about VD or raising a child out of wedlock.

[WilliamSmith]

Regardless, I voted against banning Spencer in that other thread, so we have both valuable psychos such as Cornfed and me, and also at least some "creative writing accounts." (I used to think @MrMan was one, but I wasn't used to how many guys on here actually consider it normal to marry a virgin at the time.)

To me it is a sad commentary on our society that someone would automatically think a post about marrying a virgin or wanting to must be fiction. In reality, there are a lot of Christians who go to church and hear that fornication is a sin, who believe that, and abstain from fornication and adultery. It's just not a dominant theme in our culture anymore, and there are plenty of people spouting an opposing argument.

If you think about it, it does make sense. Just think of all the disadvantages those born outside of marriage without their own father in the home face. Where does that come from? Fornication? STDs generally come fornication or adultery. A couple of virgins can get married and have sex like wild rabbits, and they don't have to worry about VD or raising a child out of wedlock.

Yeah @MrMan, even if monogamy's not for me and I mostly see it failing nearly everywhere, I do see where you're coming from, when it comes to the state of modern society. I think there are more Muslims than Christians at this point who still have a lot of the women remaining virgins until marriage.

Personally I wouldn't want to get together with a virgin (unless it was a strange and unusual case where she was a virgin in her late 20's at minimum and also head-over-heels in love with me, but otherwise no thanks).
But I agree with you that a father (ideally both a father and a mother) should be present in raising a child, whether monogamous marriage with a contract is involved or not.
I'm not an expert on this subject, but have read in various places that having a positive father figure in the home makes an important difference, especially for girls. (I read it's an even bigger deal psychologically for girls to grow up with a positive relationship with her father.)

I know a lot of women who come from divorced and fatherless homes (same as me) as well though, and some of them turned out fine. It's just the usual case of the ideal vs the real though, and I see most marriages failing even in the absence of particularly noxious and intrusive cultural influences (though also have seen some trainwrecks based on those).

But the other side of this discussion:

When it comes to me initially thinking you were one of the "creative writing projects" I didn't exactly think you were lying though, but rather that it was just part of your humorous online persona maybe, but now I no longer think that and am not doubting you. (Not that I cared, since I still thought you were funny, but now I do in fact believe you're a monogamist married to an Indonesian virgin.)

Examples:

MrMan in his thread: "Really GOOD SEX!"

I was a hairy-- presumably testosterone laden dude in my 20's. I was alone over the holidays when people leave and stuff slows down and felt a bit lonely.
So I upped my prayers for a wife. I prayed all kind of stuff. I prayed for a virgin, and if the woman I knew was dating someone, gently break them up. (Boyfriend does not mean having sex over there, and it did not use to mean that in the US. Our sexual, dating and marriage culture is messed up.) I read about Isaac and Rebecca getting together and asked God to send an angel ahead of me to find my wife. I prayed all kinds of things. Some of it hit the nail on the head I found out later.
I finally met my wife (I'd seen/met her before, really). I didn't know this, but she sensed the Lord telling me I was the one. She talked to her friend who I was talking to. I introduced myself-- which meant she didn't have to strike up a conversation with a man she didn't know. She invites me to her Bible study. I give her my number I had a sense of it, but when I got home, I was praying about whether this was the woman I'd been praying for to be my wife.

Then in my thread where I was wondering about the best places to take a black woman that obviously had nil to do with someone like you, you trolled in with the following:

I read about an African tribe where the people average sex three times a night. They believe the 'night work' is important to make babies, and they have a cultural belief that sex during pregnancy helps the baby be healthy. You could get a wife from a tribe like that, and you might be too busy for polygamy or mistresses. But I think this might have been a hunter gatherer culture, with women that looked to me to be a bit stout and homely--just my personal opinion.
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Another issue is female 'circumcison'-- where they cut all kinds of stuff off, leaving a woman with little feeling, unless she has pain. They do this to keep them from being promiscuous. I would imagine if they turn the sensitive parts to scar tissue, that would reduce temptation, but it sounds like it would be a lot less enjoyable for them and their husbands after the virgin brides get married off.

Then MrMan made other unsolicited comments about black women's physique and anatomy in some other threads, leading me to believe this MrMan guy who claims to be in total devotion to God while using the power of prayer to attract an Indonesian virgin bride, and then shows up trolling about African women's sexual behavior and anatomy was actually an eccentric online prankster.

But like I said, I no longer think that, and now I'm betting MrMan is one of many interesting actual personalities on Happier Abroad.
Also, not long after that @Tsar was another one opening my eyes to how many actually really want to marry a virgin, and apparently that's quite common. (Another guy who knows the "manosphere" better than me says he's constantly hearing from guys with the same ambition.)

So now I get it.

I still wouldn't want to get involved with a virgin, personally. How's she supposed to know I'm the best in the sack if she's never even had any other men before?
But that's a good thing, since it's not like tradpill types out there are complaining that there are too many virgin women, and lamenting that they don't know what to do with them all.

[Lucas88]

This forum is interesting because it is full of rich and diverse characters who all have interesting opinions, whether I agree with them or not. It's also good because Winston allows free speech, something Reddit does not.

I have the exact same impression of this forum since I made an account here a few months ago. What I like about it the most is that Winston allows everybody to be themselves and express all kinds of opinions without the need for self-censorship no matter how taboo those opinions might be by politically correct mainstream standards. I also enjoy the cast of eccentric characters who populate this forum, each with their own unique ideas and quirky personalities. Even if I don't necessarily agree with their opinions I still appreciate their presence and contributions to the forum and believe that such divergent viewpoints allow for healthy and sometimes enlightening discussion. There are very few people who I actually hate here.

Flowerthief01 is an omega male which is why he can't handle a site like this where you have actual different opinions and personalities. He should stick to Reddit.

Flowerthief01 felt the need to make a new account to tell us all how offensive he finds the content on this forum.

That guy says that he doesn't like echo chambers and even alleges that Happier Abroad is full of that too yet, as far as I can remember, he is the only person here who has ever repeatedly complained about the un-PC/unconventional/taboo nature of certain opinions which some members express. It doesn't seem like he can handle the expression of opinions which diverge from his own narrow scope of "normal" or "acceptable". Maybe he only dislikes echo chambers that aren't his own.

On Happier Abroad some people might express an opinion that I don't agree with. Cornfed for example might post some racist invective about Black folks. Most of us here just ignore the topics that we don't like while at the same recognizing other people's right to express un-PC/unconventional/taboo opinions. We're mentally mature adults. We don't have to act like a triggered baby!

I never thought that flowerthief was much of a fit around here (not to mention his usual arrogant and condescending attitude). Maybe he'd be better off on any one of his favorite subreddits where everyone just jerks each other off over the same trite, politically correct opinions and massively downvotes anybody who doesn't tow the line!

Curiously flowerthief came back despite his disgust for the forum. What gives? Maybe even he knows deep down that this level of freedom of expression is a rarity on the internet in this day and age.

[flowerthief01]

Flowerthief01 felt the need to make a new account to tell us all how offensive he finds the content on this forum.

Nope. I made a new account because I can't get into my old one. Failed attempts to get the password right takes me to an HTTP ERROR 500 page. Not a friendly "Did you forget your password" page like other sites do. An error page.
Nor does the password reset process work for me; the mail either never comes or it comes too late.

So not being eager to stick around has as much to do with the site barely working as with the community itself, as well as the fact that I have other things I should probably be doing. But feel free to point fingers and call names whenever my back is turned, if that's the caliber of person you are. Really, don't hold back. I probably will pop in now and then but I'm sure I won't see all of your nonsense.

(Btw, Cornfed is far more condescending than me. I like Cornfed all the same. His views are extreme, but he always stays on topic and doesn't use bs tactics or throw walls of words. Just because many of you are on the fringe doesn't mean that I don't still like many of you)

[flowerthief01]

Oh, you too Pixel--Dude? Nope, I don't hide, but neither do I have time to engage with you everywhere about everything. I replied to you on the Ukraine thread and the Conspiracy theory thread. Anyway I see you'd rather have Tsar around than me. That's the kind of community you want, so that speaks for itself.

[galii]

Oh, you too Pixel--Dude? Nope, I don't hide, but neither do I have time to engage with you everywhere about everything. I replied to you on the Ukraine thread and the Conspiracy theory thread. Anyway I see you'd rather have Tsar around than me. That's the kind of community you want, so that speaks for itself.

Tsar has always been alright with me. He loses his temper with some people and to be honest I am not surprised. I recognise all the bully tactics employed by people like Voyager1. Tsar has some interesting opinions on things like spirituality etc but also some very unconventional opinions which could piss people off. I tend not to judge and I certainly won't be jumping on the "Tsar is a pedophile" bandwagon.

To be honest if you hadn't have come back with such a bad attitude towards the forum and those who use it I wouldn't have been so hostile towards you. You need to stop being so condescending towards others with different points of view. You mentioned Flat Earth etc but then why didn't you take your vaccine? If the government weren't such lying corrupt arseholes then conspiracy theories wouldn't exist in the first place.

Pixilott when you make stupid accusations and when it is clear it is not true then just apologize new guy. Stop being a Flat Earth apologist. That is wrong.

[Lucas88]

Flowerthief01 felt the need to make a new account to tell us all how offensive he finds the content on this forum.

Nope. I made a new account because I can't get into my old one. Failed attempts to get the password right takes me to an HTTP ERROR 500 page. Not a friendly "Did you forget your password" page like other sites do. An error page.
Nor does the password reset process work for me; the mail either never comes or it comes too late.

So not being eager to stick around has as much to do with the site barely working as with the community itself, as well as the fact that I have other things I should probably be doing. But feel free to point fingers and call names whenever my back is turned, if that's the caliber of person you are. Really, don't hold back. I probably will pop in now and then but I'm sure I won't see all of your nonsense.

(Btw, Cornfed is far more condescending than me. I like Cornfed all the same. His views are extreme, but he always stays on topic and doesn't use bs tactics or throw walls of words. Just because many of you are on the fringe doesn't mean that I don't still like many of you)

First of all, I didn't point fingers or call you names while your back was turned. I posted an observation which I made about you on a public forum where what I write is visible for you and anybody else to read. The words which I wrote are still here, aren't they? You really didn't think your response through, did you?

Whatever your reason for coming back may be, you still had to make your first post a condescending rant about how you find the forum's content so cringey and disgusting yet here you are back on the forum with your new account! I mean, you even said that you feel gross when you're on here and you can barely stand being here for anything other than short occasional spells, didn't you? I'm not making any of this stuff up. You wrote it yourself. So why are you even here then?

We're not talking about Cornfed here. We're talking about you (talk about pointing fingers )! You're the one who is condescending since you come on here to complain about how offensive our opinions are as though you somehow have the moral high ground. I've also seen you resort to mockery on several occasions rather than actually engaging in a two-way debate on topics of contention and you also act as though other people's opinions are beneath you just because you find them "fringe" (i.e., outside of your own narrow conception of reality). I don't mind healthy discussion and think that it's awesome that we have members with very opposed viewpoints who can have spirited debates, but all you ever seem to do is sneer from the sidelines and mock those with whom you disagree (yet you rarely offer any substantial arguments of your own). That's why I said that you're not really a fit here. You'd probably be better off in one of your Reddit echo chambers where everybody will congratulate you and jerk you off just for thinking exactly the same way as they do!

[flowerthief01]

To be honest if you hadn't have come back with such a bad attitude towards the forum and those who use it I wouldn't have been so hostile towards you. You need to stop being so condescending towards others with different points of view.

I don't think I am being, or at least not trying to be, condescending towards the people with fringe views. It's more the abnormal frequency fringe views crop up around here. Shall we have a count of how many mentions of "the ZOG!" have been made just in the last month?

Whereas, I don't think I've ever, in the years I've been hanging around here, seen, for instance, even a single solitary thread about Climate Change--you know, a real issue most of us out in the real world are concerned about. Ergo this community is in a major way divorced from normality/reality, and trying to become even more so. I'm just about the last centrist the forum still has.

You mentioned Flat Earth etc but then why didn't you take your vaccine? If the government weren't such lying corrupt arseholes then conspiracy theories wouldn't exist in the first place.

Well that is exactly what I wrote about a few days ago in the Risks of the Covid Vaccine thread, the posting of which was the reason (in part) I made this new account. What I said is that I respect good science, however the mass vax campaign has been based on anything but that. It resembles more a religious cult complete with evangelism, excommunication of all who diverge from approved doctrine, even disowning of friends and family who won't march in step with the cult (I've lost a friend or two simply because of disagreement). I'm distrusting of religion in any of its forms.

I suppose you probly didn't see that because it takes 3 days for a new member's posts to get approved, by which time they gets buried in the stack. Posting in this thread was more of an afterthought. (despite what that goofball Lucas88 keeps saying)

And just now I tried to use the search bar above only to be met with errors in the php. In more ways than one HA is not in good shape.

[Lucas88]

Anyway I see you'd rather have Tsar around than me. That's the kind of community you want, so that speaks for itself.

Could this arrogant tallywhacker possibly get any more condescending?

Yeah, as a matter of fact we would rather have Tsar around than you. From what I've seen Tsar actually makes some interesting posts when he's not getting into conflicts with certain other members and from our conversations in person (@Pixel--Dude and I reached out to him after seeing his recent suicidal post) we can see that he is actually a very intelligent and well-spoken person who is actually living the HA lifestyle and has a lot of interesting things to say. In real life he's nothing like how he comes across on this forum. Unfortunately here he lets his anger and impulsivity get the best of him all too often.

But you, on the other hand, bring nothing other than your smug condescension and smarter-than-thou attitude. Ever since I came to this forum earlier this year I only ever responded to you once. It was in my thread about languages where I explained that learning masculine and feminine genders isn't hard and that the "illogical" features of many languages are what make them interesting. Other than that I've never found any of your content even remotely worthwhile enough to respond to and your already mentioned condescending attitude always gave off a bad vibe.

So, yeah, I'd much rather have Tsar around that you. Sorry to burst your bubble of imagined superiority.

By the way, I've noticed that Tsar is actually appreciated by more people here than what people like you would like to think. WilliamSmith, Outcast, MrMan, MarcosZeitola and a few others seem to respect Tsar. We see the nuances of the situation and can see that Tsar isn't the bad dude that he's portrayed to be.

[flowerthief01]

Other than that I've never found any of your content even remotely worthwhile enough to respond to and your already mentioned condescending attitude always gave off a bad vibe.

That feeling's mutual. I can leave then :shrug:

[Lucas88]

Ergo this community is in a major way divorced from normality/reality, and trying to become even more so. I'm just about the last centrist the forum still has.

Why are you so sure that this community is divorced from reality? Just because it doesn't conform to your own preconceived ideological worldview and "centrist" politics? There is no monolithic community here on HA but rather simply an assortment of disparate viewpoints with some being more extreme and "outlandish" than others (by mainstream standards). Yet I am perfectly happy for those extreme and outlandish viewpoints to be expressed on the forum and am even willing to look into them since I recognize the possibility that some of them could be right. The hallmark of a true thinker is the willingness to expand one's own horizons. But you don't do any of that. You just come here with the assumption that you are automatically right and that any viewpoint that deviates from your own preconceived notions must already be wrong. Then you adopt your typical condescending attitude, mock other people's viewpoints from the sidelines (but without actually engaging in substantial debate), and cry like a little bitch about certain members talking about the ZOG or some other topic that you don't like but probably haven't even bothered to look into. Maybe you should get off your high horse!

Whereas, I don't think I've ever, in the years I've been hanging around here, seen, for instance, even a single solitary thread about Climate Change--you know, a real issue most of us out in the real world are concerned about.

Nothing's stopping you from creating such a thread. But it seems that you'd rather spend your time here whining about other people's viewpoints and threads rather than doing anything productive.

Other than that I've never found any of your content even remotely worthwhile enough to respond to and your already mentioned condescending attitude always gave off a bad vibe.

That feeling's mutual. I can leave then :shrug:

Nice attempt at a comeback, buddy, but unfortunately for you it's an epic fail!

You've responded to some of my threads (particularly those on foreign languages) so you must have found at least some of my posts interesting. I on the other hand have never found any of your posts worthy of a response and only responded to you that one time in that thread of mine where you were complaining about how many foreign languages are too "illogical" for your tastes . You just always came across as too much of a whiny, whingy, effeminate soyboy with a misplaced know-it-all attitude and a whole lot of condescension for me to care to respond to any of your mediocre content.

I'm also pleased that we don't vibe at all because I'd never want to vibrate on the same frequency as somebody as condescending and whiny as you.

You call me a "goofball"? You can't even insult like a man! At this point you seem so devoid of testosterone or any semblance of manliness that you might as well get on the estrogen shots and take up transmaxxing. You'd probably be better off as a girl! And this is coming from somebody who has absolutely nothing against gays or tarty Tgurls so don't start complaining that "Lucas is a homophobic, transphobic rightwing nazi"!

[Outcast9428]

I can't believe I am saying this but I do agree with @flowerthief01 that there are some seriously gross individuals on this forum which occasionally make me question why I am here. I am particularly disgusted by the men who claim to be traditional while having a myriad of excuses for why its okay for them to cheat on their wife. These are not the kind of men I want representing the way of life that MrMan and myself advocate for, and I care not for their surface level agreement with some of our values.

I also would like to point out that these people are a legitimate danger to the mission of Happier Abroad. There are two major reasons for this. One is more micro scale and the other is more macro scale.

On a micro scale, this forum offers tours to countries that try to pair up HA members with women from these foreign countries. If we have members using these services who openly plan to cheat on their wife and have no integrity, then that hurts all of our ability to find traditional women in these countries because previous, slimeball members have given us a bad reputation.

On a macro scale, these people are damaging the cultures of the women they are marrying or attempting to marry by spreading Westernized, degenerate lifestyles onto these people. If enough guys like that turn up in countries like Thailand, Indonesia, or the Philippines, those countries may lose the traditionalism which makes them special on a global level.

If we don't want these countries to be ruined we need to make sure that members who potentially use our information and services are respectful of the countries and cultures they are visiting and that we're not just empowering degenerates to use poor countries as their personal playground to do whatever they want in.

I will concede if somebody wants a less traditional, or monogamous lifestyle, that the kind of statements I made do not apply to those who are visiting countries where strict monogamy isn't really a part of the local culture there. If somebody goes to a country like Brazil for example and acts promiscuous there, then what I said does not apply because promiscuity is definitely normal in Brazil and serious opposition to it is a minority perspective among Brazilians. While I do not agree with their behavior, at least they are playing by the rules of the society they have chosen to live in and are basically assimilating to the culture they chose. People who insist on behaving like playboy degenerates in traditional cultures like Thailand or the Philippines on the other hand, are deliberately behaving differently from the locals in order to exploit a country where the rules are different. Keeping in mind that all Western men going to these countries have vastly more financial power then any of the locals do and have a much easier time manipulating economically downtrodden women because of that. Many of these same sleezeballs complain that if they try the same tactics on women who are upper middle class that they are nowhere near as successful.

Now some people might try to argue to me that there are Filipinos or Thai people who sleep around and are promiscuous, but these people represent a minority in their countries which is evident from studies I've read which show that approximately 70% of young, Filipino and Thai people oppose not even just hookups and one night stands, but even premarital sex entirely. Between 40%-50% of girls in these countries are virgins when they marry and an additional 30%-40% have only had 1 or 2 premarital sexual partners.

Western men who behave like degenerates in these countries are empowering a subversive minority within these countries to rot away the traditional rules and mentality of their culture and we shouldn't be helping them in that mission. In other words, they are behaving exactly like the jews they claim to despise.

The truth is that virtually every country is going to have some people who are like people you'd find anywhere else. Even in progressive countries, you have a tiny minority who thinks women belong in the home. Even in traditional countries, you have a tiny minority who will think open relationships are okay. Empowering these minority groups in these countries, however, shows you don't respect these countries or cultures. It shows that you are simply looking for the minority group in these countries who are more similar to Western girls. They may exist, but there's a reason you left your country and if you empower these minorities, then that country may start to look more like the country you came from instead of the country you were hoping to escape to.

[Outcast9428]

I can't believe I am saying this but I do agree with @flowerthief01 that there are some seriously gross individuals on this forum which occasionally make me question why I am here. I am particularly disgusted by the men who claim to be traditional while having a myriad of excuses for why its okay for them to cheat on their wife. These are not the kind of men I want representing the way of life that MrMan and myself advocate for, and I care not for their surface level agreement with some of our values.

I also would like to point out that these people are a legitimate danger to the mission of Happier Abroad. There are two major reasons for this. One is more micro scale and the other is more macro scale.

On a micro scale, this forum offers tours to countries that try to pair up HA members with women from these foreign countries. If we have members using these services who openly plan to cheat on their wife and have no integrity, then that hurts all of our ability to find traditional women in these countries because previous, slimeball members have given us a bad reputation.

On a macro scale, these people are damaging the cultures of the women they are marrying or attempting to marry by spreading Westernized, degenerate lifestyles onto these people. If enough guys like that turn up in countries like Thailand, Indonesia, or the Philippines, those countries may lose the traditionalism which makes them special on a global level.

If we don't want these countries to be ruined we need to make sure that members who potentially use our information and services are respectful of the countries and cultures they are visiting and that we're not just empowering degenerates to use poor countries as their personal playground to do whatever they want in.

I will concede if somebody wants a less traditional, or monogamous lifestyle, that the kind of statements I made do not apply to those who are visiting countries where strict monogamy isn't really a part of the local culture there. If somebody goes to a country like Brazil for example and acts promiscuous there, then what I said does not apply because promiscuity is definitely normal in Brazil and serious opposition to it is a minority perspective among Brazilians. While I do not agree with their behavior, at least they are playing by the rules of the society they have chosen to live in and are basically assimilating to the culture they chose. People who insist on behaving like playboy degenerates in traditional cultures like Thailand or the Philippines on the other hand, are deliberately behaving differently from the locals in order to exploit a country where the rules are different. Keeping in mind that all Western men going to these countries have vastly more financial power then any of the locals do and have a much easier time manipulating economically downtrodden women because of that. Many of these same sleezeballs complain that if they try the same tactics on women who are upper middle class that they are nowhere near as successful.

Now some people might try to argue to me that there are Filipinos or Thai people who sleep around and are promiscuous, but these people represent a minority in their countries which is evident from studies I've read which show that approximately 70% of young, Filipino and Thai people oppose not even just hookups and one night stands, but even premarital sex entirely. Between 40%-50% of girls in these countries are virgins when they marry and an additional 30%-40% have only had 1 or 2 premarital sexual partners.

Western men who behave like degenerates in these countries are empowering a subversive minority within these countries to rot away the traditional rules and mentality of their culture and we shouldn't be helping them in that mission. In other words, they are behaving exactly like the jews they claim to despise.

The truth is that virtually every country is going to have some people who are like people you'd find anywhere else. Even in progressive countries, you have a tiny minority who thinks women belong in the home. Even in traditional countries, you have a tiny minority who will think open relationships are okay. Empowering these minority groups in these countries, however, shows you don't respect these countries or cultures. It shows that you are simply looking for the minority group in these countries who are more similar to Western girls. They may exist, but there's a reason you left your country and if you empower these minorities, then that country may start to look more like the country you came from instead of the country you were hoping to escape to.

Thailand is full of whores and ladyboys, as is the Philippines and the Philippines has a strong culture of machismo not unlike we see in Latin America wherein a man who seduces and beds many women is seen as masculine and somewhat of a local legend. In fact you could make a strong case that the biggest fuckboys and degenerates in the Philippines are the Filipino men themselves, as opposed to Western degenerates who come there. When in Rome, do as the Romans, diba?

No seriously... the average American or European sexpat, balding, aging, beer gut and all, is outgunned and outmatched every step of the way by local Lotharios. And very few Filipinas, especially cute ones, reach the age of twenty as a virgin. Very few. Lets kill that illusion of Filipino chastity right here and now man; no matter what some Filipinas may tell gullible and naive foreigners it just doesnt exist any more the way it did perhaps twenty or more years ago.

I believe many Filipinas will simply lie to their spouses that they are virgins. Even if they have exes they will insist they remained chaste throughout. Flattered by the illusion of being her first and only, the husband takes her word for it. But its a lie and an illusion all the same and fools are none the wiser and hang on to their little fairy tale of supposedly chaste Pinays. Its honestly laughable in a sad way how naive many foreign men who never lived long term in the Philippines tend to be.

I know a lot of people here say that but none of my interactions with Filipino people have backed up this perception. Neither my ex girlfriend, her parents, my ex girlfriend's reports on what people in the Filipino community are like, nor a Filipino family I met once on a cruise, nor several Filipino people I've met on the internet. All of my interactions with Filipinos indicates a very strongly conservative culture.

Perhaps the women you met are not chaste because the chaste women are already married? 17% of Filipina girls apparently are married before reaching the age of 18. I would assume quite a few of them were chaste. If another 17% marry at the ages of 18 and 19 then that means the vast majority of Filipina women who would have been chaste, according to the study I read, would already have been married by the age of 20.

[NPCslammer]

I can't believe I am saying this but I do agree with @flowerthief01 that there are some seriously gross individuals on this forum which occasionally make me question why I am here. I am particularly disgusted by the men who claim to be traditional while having a myriad of excuses for why its okay for them to cheat on their wife. These are not the kind of men I want representing the way of life that MrMan and myself advocate for, and I care not for their surface level agreement with some of our values.

I also would like to point out that these people are a legitimate danger to the mission of Happier Abroad. There are two major reasons for this. One is more micro scale and the other is more macro scale.

On a micro scale, this forum offers tours to countries that try to pair up HA members with women from these foreign countries. If we have members using these services who openly plan to cheat on their wife and have no integrity, then that hurts all of our ability to find traditional women in these countries because previous, slimeball members have given us a bad reputation.

On a macro scale, these people are damaging the cultures of the women they are marrying or attempting to marry by spreading Westernized, degenerate lifestyles onto these people. If enough guys like that turn up in countries like Thailand, Indonesia, or the Philippines, those countries may lose the traditionalism which makes them special on a global level.

If we don't want these countries to be ruined we need to make sure that members who potentially use our information and services are respectful of the countries and cultures they are visiting and that we're not just empowering degenerates to use poor countries as their personal playground to do whatever they want in.

I will concede if somebody wants a less traditional, or monogamous lifestyle, that the kind of statements I made do not apply to those who are visiting countries where strict monogamy isn't really a part of the local culture there. If somebody goes to a country like Brazil for example and acts promiscuous there, then what I said does not apply because promiscuity is definitely normal in Brazil and serious opposition to it is a minority perspective among Brazilians. While I do not agree with their behavior, at least they are playing by the rules of the society they have chosen to live in and are basically assimilating to the culture they chose. People who insist on behaving like playboy degenerates in traditional cultures like Thailand or the Philippines on the other hand, are deliberately behaving differently from the locals in order to exploit a country where the rules are different. Keeping in mind that all Western men going to these countries have vastly more financial power then any of the locals do and have a much easier time manipulating economically downtrodden women because of that. Many of these same sleezeballs complain that if they try the same tactics on women who are upper middle class that they are nowhere near as successful.

Now some people might try to argue to me that there are Filipinos or Thai people who sleep around and are promiscuous, but these people represent a minority in their countries which is evident from studies I've read which show that approximately 70% of young, Filipino and Thai people oppose not even just hookups and one night stands, but even premarital sex entirely. Between 40%-50% of girls in these countries are virgins when they marry and an additional 30%-40% have only had 1 or 2 premarital sexual partners.

Western men who behave like degenerates in these countries are empowering a subversive minority within these countries to rot away the traditional rules and mentality of their culture and we shouldn't be helping them in that mission. In other words, they are behaving exactly like the jews they claim to despise.

The truth is that virtually every country is going to have some people who are like people you'd find anywhere else. Even in progressive countries, you have a tiny minority who thinks women belong in the home. Even in traditional countries, you have a tiny minority who will think open relationships are okay. Empowering these minority groups in these countries, however, shows you don't respect these countries or cultures. It shows that you are simply looking for the minority group in these countries who are more similar to Western girls. They may exist, but there's a reason you left your country and if you empower these minorities, then that country may start to look more like the country you came from instead of the country you were hoping to escape to.

Because most of these sexpats are just Western trash. It would be a false assumption to assume these people are the cream of the crop because they found happierabroad and vibe with many of Winston’s ideals, philosophy and in my opinion very accurate observations on American society. Truth is the average normie in the U.S. is probably a better person than these sexpat losers. They are mostly the scum of the earth, and if these countries knew half of what they were up to they’d probably get a permanent ban from entering. There was an old poster named the devil’s advocate, went by a few other names like oil trading academy I think. He correctly identified this forum as a bunch of losers. That’s putting it mildly. Not gonna lie though, this forum allows more free speech than probably any other forum I’ve been to, and even some of the losers do have some interesting takes on things and some interesting observations.

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I can't believe I am saying this but I do agree with @flowerthief01 that there are some seriously gross individuals on this forum which occasionally make me question why I am here. I am particularly disgusted by the men who claim to be traditional while having a myriad of excuses for why its okay for them to cheat on their wife. These are not the kind of men I want representing the way of life that MrMan and myself advocate for, and I care not for their surface level agreement with some of our values.

I also would like to point out that these people are a legitimate danger to the mission of Happier Abroad. There are two major reasons for this. One is more micro scale and the other is more macro scale.

On a micro scale, this forum offers tours to countries that try to pair up HA members with women from these foreign countries. If we have members using these services who openly plan to cheat on their wife and have no integrity, then that hurts all of our ability to find traditional women in these countries because previous, slimeball members have given us a bad reputation.

On a macro scale, these people are damaging the cultures of the women they are marrying or attempting to marry by spreading Westernized, degenerate lifestyles onto these people. If enough guys like that turn up in countries like Thailand, Indonesia, or the Philippines, those countries may lose the traditionalism which makes them special on a global level.

If we don't want these countries to be ruined we need to make sure that members who potentially use our information and services are respectful of the countries and cultures they are visiting and that we're not just empowering degenerates to use poor countries as their personal playground to do whatever they want in.

I will concede if somebody wants a less traditional, or monogamous lifestyle, that the kind of statements I made do not apply to those who are visiting countries where strict monogamy isn't really a part of the local culture there. If somebody goes to a country like Brazil for example and acts promiscuous there, then what I said does not apply because promiscuity is definitely normal in Brazil and serious opposition to it is a minority perspective among Brazilians. While I do not agree with their behavior, at least they are playing by the rules of the society they have chosen to live in and are basically assimilating to the culture they chose. People who insist on behaving like playboy degenerates in traditional cultures like Thailand or the Philippines on the other hand, are deliberately behaving differently from the locals in order to exploit a country where the rules are different. Keeping in mind that all Western men going to these countries have vastly more financial power then any of the locals do and have a much easier time manipulating economically downtrodden women because of that. Many of these same sleezeballs complain that if they try the same tactics on women who are upper middle class that they are nowhere near as successful.

Now some people might try to argue to me that there are Filipinos or Thai people who sleep around and are promiscuous, but these people represent a minority in their countries which is evident from studies I've read which show that approximately 70% of young, Filipino and Thai people oppose not even just hookups and one night stands, but even premarital sex entirely. Between 40%-50% of girls in these countries are virgins when they marry and an additional 30%-40% have only had 1 or 2 premarital sexual partners.

Western men who behave like degenerates in these countries are empowering a subversive minority within these countries to rot away the traditional rules and mentality of their culture and we shouldn't be helping them in that mission. In other words, they are behaving exactly like the jews they claim to despise.

The truth is that virtually every country is going to have some people who are like people you'd find anywhere else. Even in progressive countries, you have a tiny minority who thinks women belong in the home. Even in traditional countries, you have a tiny minority who will think open relationships are okay. Empowering these minority groups in these countries, however, shows you don't respect these countries or cultures. It shows that you are simply looking for the minority group in these countries who are more similar to Western girls. They may exist, but there's a reason you left your country and if you empower these minorities, then that country may start to look more like the country you came from instead of the country you were hoping to escape to.

Thailand is full of whores and ladyboys, as is the Philippines and the Philippines has a strong culture of machismo not unlike we see in Latin America wherein a man who seduces and beds many women is seen as masculine and somewhat of a local legend. In fact you could make a strong case that the biggest fuckboys and degenerates in the Philippines are the Filipino men themselves, as opposed to Western degenerates who come there. When in Rome, do as the Romans, diba?

No seriously... the average American or European sexpat, balding, aging, beer gut and all, is outgunned and outmatched every step of the way by local Lotharios. And very few Filipinas, especially cute ones, reach the age of twenty as a virgin. Very few. Lets kill that illusion of Filipino chastity right here and now man; no matter what some Filipinas may tell gullible and naive foreigners it just doesnt exist any more the way it did perhaps twenty or more years ago.

I believe many Filipinas will simply lie to their spouses that they are virgins. Even if they have exes they will insist they remained chaste throughout. Flattered by the illusion of being her first and only, the husband takes her word for it. But its a lie and an illusion all the same and fools are none the wiser and hang on to their little fairy tale of supposedly chaste Pinays. Its honestly laughable in a sad way how naive many foreign men who never lived long term in the Philippines tend to be.

I know a lot of people here say that but none of my interactions with Filipino people have backed up this perception. Neither my ex girlfriend, her parents, my ex girlfriend's reports on what people in the Filipino community are like, nor a Filipino family I met once on a cruise, nor several Filipino people I've met on the internet. All of my interactions with Filipinos indicates a very strongly conservative culture.

Perhaps the women you met are not chaste because the chaste women are already married? 17% of Filipina girls apparently are married before reaching the age of 18. I would assume quite a few of them were chaste. If another 17% marry at the ages of 18 and 19 then that means the vast majority of Filipina women who would have been chaste, according to the study I read, would already have been married by the age of 20.

You have to talk to the guys. Inside the actual Philippines, that is. Not the ones abroad putting on a façade. Only by being there will you get an accurate view of what they are truly like..hell even choir girls in small town churches get knocked up by their own seminarians and sometimes even the priests these people are wild, man. @publicduende and other forum members who live there will back me up on that.

The very young girls who marry are in most cases already pregnant; they are shotgun marriages to keep up appearances which skews the stats. Either that or they are Muslim girls in the deep south of mindanao who are arranged

One thing I have noticed, speaking to conservatives in many countries around the world, is that no matter how conservative their country is, the conservatives in that country seem to think their country is liberal or degenerate. Meanwhile, I go to the same country and I'm like "what the hell are y'all talking about? There is nowhere near as much liberalism or degeneracy here as there is back in my home country."

Take Hungary for example, my tour guide complained about political correctness, meanwhile I saw a brand of candy in Hungary titled "negro" and in one of the clubs I even heard a song playing evoking racial stereotypes that would no doubt have courted huge controversy if a club played that song in the US. Every person I talked to in Hungary disliked political correctness and specifically pointed out how sensitive Americans were. Even the liberals in Hungary tend to be against political correctness as a concept. Even my tour guide mentioned that Americans are too concerned about what is racist or sexist. In the nightclubs, I didn't see anybody grinding on strangers or trying to hookup with anyone. It was obvious there isn't really a hookup culture in Hungary. Yet if you talked to my tour guide, you'd think the situation was just as bad in Hungary as it was in America but I could see with my own eyes and based on how many people opposed that kind of behavior that it definitely wasn't as bad as it is in the US.

But in my experience, conservatives tend to hyperfocus on the things they don't like. My friend does this too, he will keep pointing out the small bits of liberalism he sees everywhere but not really mention all the conservative things we see. Progressives, ironically, do the same thing but in reverse. I've seen progressives who live in environments where they are clearly the majority, still whining about how many conservatives there are around them.

As far as the Philippines go, there are surveys which show what people believe in countries around the world. In the Philippines, 71% of the respondents said they believed premarital sex was morally unacceptable. This isn't the first study I read saying this either, I read another study which looked at young people aged 15-25 specifically and it found the exact same result with about 70% of young people saying premarital sex was unacceptable. This is very different from Brazil which is in the same survey, where only 35% of respondents said they thought premarital sex was morally unacceptable.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/inte ... -morality/

Now I am not naive enough to believe that because 71% of people think premarital sex is unacceptable, that that means 71% of the population is chaste until marriage. That being said, I have read surveys which claim about 40% of Filipina girls have only had one sexual partner in their life. Looking back on it, the survey doesn't actually say they were chaste until marriage but it did say one sexual partner. 17% of Filipino men report between 5-12 sexual partners. I think the ones who've had between 5-10 isn't necessarily a lot. 10+ partners is starting to get up there but even then, if the person responding is like 30 years old and hasn't married yet, its still not that many. It also showed that only 8% of Filipino men report more then 12 sexual partners per year. So I'd say the percentage of people in the Philippines living a promiscuous lifestyle is only about 10%. In the US, on the other hand, 7 one night stands, is apparently the median for both men and women. 1% of men in the US claim to have had 100+ sexual partners, 10% of men claim to have had 30+ sexual partners, and about 50% claim to have had 10+ sexual partners (10 partners was the median, 3 in relationships, 7 one night stands).

So basically, about 40-50% of people in the US are as promiscuous as the most promiscuous 10% of people in the Philippines are. That's a pretty dramatic difference regardless of what anecdotes you and PublicDuente have.

In Brazil, on the other hand, the median number of sexual partners reported by men is like 20-30 girls. Brazil notoriously has a huge hookup culture so that's not surprising to me. I feel like the US numbers would look more like Brazil's but American men aren't as aggressive as Brazilian guys are so that's probably limiting their numbers moreso then cultural prohibitions on promiscuity.

That being said, the US is really turning against promiscuity in a lot of areas. Even the leftist, progressive states have more push back against it then people think because a lot of people are saying it degrades women. Meanwhile, the more conservative states are saying its degenerate. I don't think promiscuity is nearly as acceptable in the US today as it was ten years ago. It might be more accepted in Brazil nowadays then the US.