Ancient Astronaut Hypothesis

[WilliamSmith]

Ahhh, thank you @Pixel--dude, I'll be all over this thread in a week or two if possible, no matter if the trolls try to derail it while I'm away, because I was into the Ancient Aliens hypothesis way before it was cool (as a boy before dial-up internet came to the area where I lived in a crappy town on the Left Coast in the 90s).

I actually first got the notion about it from reading the Old Testament for the first time and thought something along the lines of: "Damn, obviously this thing talking isn't "God" since he's ranting about having no other gods before him and also f***s everything up since his creations don't do anything he wanted them to, so this sounds like some angry aliens were creating genetic hybrid creatures, then wiped them out with the old flood" (which from what I've read was a geological fact, even if the scriptural stuff is basically a syncretic mishmash of old Astro theological religion slathered together by lying jews).
I guessed even that the new theoretical thing (now a reality) of genetic cloning was what the creation of Eve from the "rib", but I'll have to elaborate later....
That was just speculation and not what I think is the actual story of exactly what happened, but yeah, I was onto this before I even discovered the early birds researching the theory.

Then later I was at a library book sale and was all over old nifty-smelling paperbacks by Erich Von Däniken, who is awesome even though he made a few logical faux paus and errors in his enthusiasm in a few earlier titles (which he acknowledged later), but no blame there.

That TV show Ancient Aliens they made much more recently was quite a nice solid overview, even if there's stronger vs weaker points and they stretch it a bit once in a while to pump out more episodes, but NBD, because no one is even remotely close in any way shape or form to "debunking" them on so many points.

The dimwits who come in saying that it's like a cult or that the show is a "religion" don't have any weight regardless of whether cultists have popped up, since they cannot offer any explanations except naysaying or saying that the Ancient Aliens hypothesis is "racist" even though the evidence is global across most or all racial groups so that makes no sense.

I will get back to you with what I see as the key points that no one can "debunk" unless they can explain them (which thus far they can't), and there are MANY.

[CaptainSkelebob]

So......
Aliens are smart enough to build ships that can move billions of lightyears across space to pile rocks on top of each other???
Cmon PD.....
If the pyramids had sliding doors and air conditioning inside these tombs then maybe I would be on board

[MrMan]

So......
Aliens are smart enough to build ships that can move billions of lightyears across space to pile rocks on top of each other???
Cmon PD.....
If the pyramids had sliding doors and air conditioning inside these tombs then maybe I would be on board

I made a similar point. If they find a pyramid that has a Star Trek sliding door, let's talk. If aliens are supposed to have built the pyramids because someone can try to reinterpret mythology and archeology through the grid of contemporary pop 'mythology' about aliens, then why not the sliding doors... and phasers too. Where is the phaser and photon torpedo cannon on these pyramids, or the deflector array, or the replicator, or the transporter? Show me that stuff.

[MrMan]

@Pixel--Dude

So there are some superficial similarities between mythologies and modern pop culture related to aliens. So what does that prove?

In the Marvel comics, there are several heroes and villians who could have picked up those rocks and built the pyramids without resorting to the alien hypothesis. So why don't we just believe that prehistoric versions of the Incredible Hulk, Spiderman, Luke Cage, and a few other characters got together and build the pyramids. But you see, they got Professor Hulk just a bit angry, and with his brain he could still figure out how to build the thing, but he was angry enough to be strong enough to build it without turning into a more dangerous Hulk. What is wrong with that theory? Think about it. Some of these superheroes are super smart scientists and they can figure out how to align the pyramids, and some of the superpowered beings have superprecision. Maybe Captain America helped align the pyramids?

That is facetious of course, but it is similar to the alien hypothesis? Why? Because the flying saucers are the work of fiction, TV, etc. So if stories about boats or cities from mythology also happen to conform to stories about space aliens with such things in modern movies... the movies are fiction just like the superheroes in the paragraph above.

There are people who claim to be abducted by aliens, but scientists who have researched this, including agnostics, report that such accounts are the same as if not identical to reports of interactions with demons. The UFO stuff is mainly in the occult domain. They also used to conform to past ideas of science and technology, telling people they came from the back of the moon when scientists thought that was a viable alternative, or flying just faster than whatever blimps or planes or whatever we had in the air could travel.

It could be the similarities between pyramids indicates that mankind had some common technology and culture before dispersing that included building such buildings. There is also a trend toward astrology/astronomy in religion across pagan cultures. People did spend a lot of time looking a the sky before gas then electric lights were invented. At night, the world, or half of it, was literally a much darker place just two hundred years ago.

It may be there were some technologies that were lost. There was some plates that had some images etched into them that were discovered in Egypt. It looks like art, but there was some scientific speculation that they could have been used as solar panels of a sort, set in the sun to absorb electricity and used as lights, or even used to kind of produce a kind of magnetic 'levitiation' over another surface, like with some of the monorail trains. The Egyptians actually had an electric battery of sorts, quite a large one. They could have had some technology to move large stones, and apparently so.

[Cornfed]

There are people who claim to be abducted by aliens, but scientists who have researched this, including agnostics, report that such accounts are the same as if not identical to reports of interactions with demons.

Mightn't that indicate they are describing the same real phenomenon in different ways.

On the wider issue, history clearly does state that pre-bronze age societies were ruled by separate species known as "gods". The only reason to deny this seems to be the hysterical religious idea that "everyone knows" such a thing can't be true.

[MrMan]

There are people who claim to be abducted by aliens, but scientists who have researched this, including agnostics, report that such accounts are the same as if not identical to reports of interactions with demons.

Mightn't that indicate they are describing the same real phenomenon in different ways.

On the wider issue, history clearly does state that pre-bronze age societies were ruled by separate species known as "gods". The only reason to deny this seems to be the hysterical religious idea that "everyone knows" such a thing can't be true.

Something similar isn't that opposed to a Biblical worldview depending on how you define 'gods,' except the bronze age part.

[Tsar]

There are theories they were built as some kind of complex power plant, a source of energy that was constructed across one of Earth's energetic lay lines. Something we can't comprehend. I'm not saying this is what I believe personally, just offering alternate theories.

Leylines are very important and I became into them earlier in the year when I began to look more into the occult and spiritual things. Leylines are one of the most recent discoveries or rediscovered metaphysical things because most spiritual secrets were lost or destroyed. I know for a fact that leylines are real because of personal experiences.

[galii]

Doctor Christiana Kohler, Egyptologist at Macquarie University, explained that by putting rollers under the stones (and by using some oxen), “a gang of eight men can actually handle a two and a half tonnes heavy block.”

There are even paintings on the wall of the tomb of a later Egyptian nomarch showing workers (and not aliens) hauling a statue weighing 58 metric tons on an enormous hand-drawn sled.

https://thenewstack.io/ultimate-logisti ... t-pyramid/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djehutiho ... e.E2.80.9D

[MrMan]

Yeah no worries, buddy. Just reply when you can. I also think the bible has clues about alien origins and humanity being created by a pantheon of gods and goddesses rather than a so-called all powerful god. For starters there is a slip up in the book of Genesis where it says “Let US make man in OUR image” but this Jewish book is a plagiarism of the Sumerian myth anyway and in that myth it is Enki (also slandered as the biblical serpent) who suggests to his father and brother that they create humanity by using the essence of the primal hominids that were the native species and the blood of a god, to give humanity the capacity for reason. So that we could follow complex instructions.

Why would you think that is a 'slip up?' As a Christian, I see that from a trinitarian perspective. At least the Logos was involved in the creation. I have also heard non-Christian interpretations, such as God addressing the divine council or angels in the royal plural.

We should also consider that the Biblical authors and readers knew what knowledge was floating around about the spirit-world and the Mesopotamian interpretations of it. There other other elim or elohim mentioned in the Bible besides the creator. There is also the term b'nei Elohim, the 'sons of God.' The dead sea scrolls (c.f. LXX) manuscripts of Deuteronomy 32 say the LORD divided the nations according to the number of the sons of God. That may refer to YHWH giving these spiritual entities guardianship over other nations besides Israel, and retaining Israel as an inheritance/portion, at least for a time. Though in Psalm 82, God judges the elohim for their not doing justice and decrees that He will inherit the nations. He also offers the nations to the Messiah.

I recall reading in a book by Don Richardson about how various cultures and peoples actually have a concept of the Most High God, even if they worship other entities. There was one, the Karen in Bhurma, I think, that believed that God named Yawa created man and woman and put them in a garden, and they sinned. Based on the words of their prophet or prophets, they were waiting for a white an with a black book to tell them how to be reconciled with the Most High God, while they wore bracelets on their wrists to indicate that they were in bondage to the gnats/demons. There was eventually a mass conversion of the people group when they encountered the son of a blond Swedish missionary couple. One of their prophets told his disciples to follow a donkey to find the man they had been waiting for. It stopped at a hole in the ground. Out popped a blond Swede who was digging a well.

Back to the Bible, the Deuteronomy 6 passage and other passages indicate the sons of God cohabitating with human women was a bad thing. A lot of the Mesopotamian literature, and Greek also, present it in a positive light-- Gilgamesh, for example, or Hercules.

You might be interested in reading or watching material from Michael Heiser. He's an author-- both Ancient Near East/Old Testament type studies, and also alien-science fiction. He goes to ancient alien type conferences. But he has a PhD from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. So he has studied a lot of this Mesopotamian literature, along with Biblical and intertestamental literature, and he focuses on some of the same things you are discussing. Here is an ]interviewwith him I found with a quick search: [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJt-vJr6Sog.[/youtube] I seem to recall his saying that Ancient Aliens did a 'hit job' on him once, so he may have been in a clip on that show, presented in a negative light. He has shown some flaws in one of their author's arguments, from a scholarly perspective, so maybe they don't like him for that reason. Ancient Aliens is an entertainment show, after all, rather than a scholarly type show.

For the most part though their information is pretty interesting. It puzzles me how people like MrMan seem to think any notion of alien life creating civilization, religions or humans themselves, is derived solely from this TV show and science fiction movies when anyone can look into this stuff for themselves.

I haven't watched that much of it. Just enough to turn me off. It's a conspiracy theory style approach to the topic... huge irrational leaps and conclusions. I don't care for it. You can look at the debunking video for an example illustrating some of the problems with the approach the show takes.

I don't see any reason to think that entities from the spirit-realm are actually little physical green reptile men, or giant eyeballs with tenticals, or bug eyed humanoids with no nose, that travel across the universe in a saucer-shaped space ship. If a physicist can conceptualize of a ship bending space in front of it (wow, a physicist could describe warp drive) that does not mean there is evidence that this can or does happen, or that technology to do such a thing exists. If it did, that wouldn't mean that spiritual entities that interact with people in non-physical ways are actually fleshly beings on a distant planet that travel here in rocketships or in flying saucers.

As I mentioned before, researchers who have researched UFO phenomenon find it to be an occulting phenomenon. Two agnostic scientists decades ago, one of whom did a report for Congress, basically determined that the accounts of interactions with UFOs were similar to if not identical to accounts of encounters with demons. Dr. Hugh Ross, an astrophysicist who has interviewed those who experienced UFO type phenomenon found that how intense their encounters were corresponded with their involvement in the occult. The vast majority are explained by simple phenomenon like viewing the planet Venus at certain times, weather balloons and such. Of those that cannot be explained that way, dabblers in the occult see lights in the sky. Those more intensely involved in the occult might see the ship, or see aliens, or talk to aliens get abducted and such. The more intense experiences happen to those more intensely involved in the occult.

If you acknowledge there is spiritual, occult, etc. phenomenon, why bring space ships into the explanation in the first place?

Ross also found that technological displays kept pace with the current understanding/mythology, etc. In the early part of the 20th century, their ships could go slightly faster than our blimp-type craft and they claimed to be on the back side of the moon. Scientists now consider aliens on the back side of the moon not to be feasible, so now they are from far away, and their craft are faster than our jets. Explanations fit our current technological theories. It makes sense that they may be spiritual beings pretending to be physical alien type beings.

[MrMan]

But if the mythological stories are all fiction then why are there common motifs across every ancient culture? Even in remote places the indigenous peoples spoke of men from the stars etc. These stories have nothing to do with fictional characters from Marvel and the two things aren't even similar.

You would have to give me some quotes about 'men from the stars.' I know that the Romans associated some gods with the stars, or supposedly deified people becoming stars. There is a comment... maybe a joke... about a dead Caesar becoming a star, and a similar thought in the Aeneid-- maybe about Aeneaus. But men coming from the stars? In what cultures? I think you, or your sources, would be inclined to take stories about gods coming down from heaven as a story about men from the stars, right?

So, if the Egyptians had such technology that could build the pyramids then why is there no evidence of it today? Why haven't we found any of it? And why did they not talk about the construction of the pyramids in any of their hieroglyphics? There isn't a single hieroglyph on earth that indicates some kind of planning or story of humans using such technology to construct these structures. Its far more consistent to assume that aliens did it and took their technology with them when they left earth. That is why there is no evidence on Earth of such technology even existing. But there is testimonial evidence that beings from the stars arrived at Earth.

Not knowing how the pyramids were constructed is in no way evidence at all for space aliens doing it or being behind it. If you already believed space aliens were down here helping out, that might be an appealing theory. But if you don't believe that, it's not evidence in the least.

How many hieroglyphs are there in the world, and how long did it take you to read them all? Where did you learn to read hieroglyphics? Where is there testimonial evidence of beings from the stars building the pyramid--- other than non-standard interpretations of Egyptian art that conventional Egyptologists interpret differently? (Is there that even.)

And there are those who offer 'naturalistic' interpretations of how the pyramids could have been constructed. Think about the Romans and concrete. At some point, 300 or 500 or whenever, the knowledge of Roman concrete was lost. So for 1300 years or 1500 years, until the 1800's, mankind (or Europeans) did not know how to use concrete. Since people did not understand this ancient building method, is that proof, or even some kind of weak evidence, for aliens helping the Romans make concrete to build the various buildings they made with it?

Men who lived 4000 years ago were intelligent like we were. Some of their societies were rather well organized and had specialized divisions of labor. If they put their minds and effort to it, they could figure out ways to solve building problems. Some of these ways may have been lost over time. That doesn't mean space men had to do it.

The part about encounters with aliens and demons being similar I can accept. I've long thought that our planet is now held by malevolent extraterrestrials which are also interdimensional and can take on the forms of other things. So human looking spirits for example like the Shadow Men CaptainSkelebob talked about in another thread. My friend who I used to scaffold with told me his house is haunted and one day he saw one of the ghosts turn into a grey alien.

So why would any of the aliens have to space aliens from distant planets that live in exclusively 3 dimensional bodies composed of molecules, as opposed to spiritual-type beings that have the ability to interact with the physical realm?.

Have you heard about some of the horror stories regarding alien abductions? Corpses found with body parts removed with such surgical precision it kind of blows apart the theories of psychotic cults running around performing random surgery on animals or even other humans.

Why would surgical precision blow that theory apart? First of all, consider your sources. Spooky type shows are entertainment. Ancient Aliens is a prime example of 'spinning' the data, and skipping over more logical explanations to lead to the alien conclusion. Two of your videos are Youtubers. One of them had a source-- what was it some scary bedtime story TV show?

Secondly, if the facts are right on all these videos... like the Discovery channel one, which sounds a little more credible... how is this evidence for aliens? There is some percentage of the world population involved in non-mainstream cults. There are Satanists of different varieties. My wife and I had a long conversation with a former Satanist in Indonesia about the various rituals. Apparently a lot of them were sexual in nature. But there are also cultists, whether they call themselves Satanists or otherwise, that are really into blood. There are even groups who consider themselves vampires who drink blood. If other people could be in weird cults, why couldn't surgeons, veterinarians, or other medical technician types join cults and develop technologies to extract organs, blood, etc. in these strange ways?

One of the biggest indicators of something being wrong is that these animals (and sometimes human) corpses are found with no blood at the scene. They are also found drained of blood completely.

[MrMan]

But if the mythological stories are all fiction then why are there common motifs across every ancient culture? Even in remote places the indigenous peoples spoke of men from the stars etc. These stories have nothing to do with fictional characters from Marvel and the two things aren't even similar.

You would have to give me some quotes about 'men from the stars.' I know that the Romans associated some gods with the stars, or supposedly deified people becoming stars. There is a comment... maybe a joke... about a dead Caesar becoming a star, and a similar thought in the Aeneid-- maybe about Aeneaus. But men coming from the stars? In what cultures? I think you, or your sources, would be inclined to take stories about gods coming down from heaven as a story about men from the stars, right?

So, if the Egyptians had such technology that could build the pyramids then why is there no evidence of it today? Why haven't we found any of it? And why did they not talk about the construction of the pyramids in any of their hieroglyphics? There isn't a single hieroglyph on earth that indicates some kind of planning or story of humans using such technology to construct these structures. Its far more consistent to assume that aliens did it and took their technology with them when they left earth. That is why there is no evidence on Earth of such technology even existing. But there is testimonial evidence that beings from the stars arrived at Earth.

Not knowing how the pyramids were constructed is in no way evidence at all for space aliens doing it or being behind it. If you already believed space aliens were down here helping out, that might be an appealing theory. But if you don't believe that, it's not evidence in the least.

How many hieroglyphs are there in the world, and how long did it take you to read them all? Where did you learn to read hieroglyphics? Where is there testimonial evidence of beings from the stars building the pyramid--- other than non-standard interpretations of Egyptian art that conventional Egyptologists interpret differently? (Is there that even.)

And there are those who offer 'naturalistic' interpretations of how the pyramids could have been constructed. Think about the Romans and concrete. At some point, 300 or 500 or whenever, the knowledge of Roman concrete was lost. So for 1300 years or 1500 years, until the 1800's, mankind (or Europeans) did not know how to use concrete. Since people did not understand this ancient building method, is that proof, or even some kind of weak evidence, for aliens helping the Romans make concrete to build the various buildings they made with it?

Men who lived 4000 years ago were intelligent like we were. Some of their societies were rather well organized and had specialized divisions of labor. If they put their minds and effort to it, they could figure out ways to solve building problems. Some of these ways may have been lost over time. That doesn't mean space men had to do it.

The part about encounters with aliens and demons being similar I can accept. I've long thought that our planet is now held by malevolent extraterrestrials which are also interdimensional and can take on the forms of other things. So human looking spirits for example like the Shadow Men CaptainSkelebob talked about in another thread. My friend who I used to scaffold with told me his house is haunted and one day he saw one of the ghosts turn into a grey alien.

So why would any of the aliens have to space aliens from distant planets that live in exclusively 3 dimensional bodies composed of molecules, as opposed to spiritual-type beings that have the ability to interact with the physical realm?.

Have you heard about some of the horror stories regarding alien abductions? Corpses found with body parts removed with such surgical precision it kind of blows apart the theories of psychotic cults running around performing random surgery on animals or even other humans.

Why would surgical precision blow that theory apart? First of all, consider your sources. Spooky type shows are entertainment. Ancient Aliens is a prime example of 'spinning' the data, and skipping over more logical explanations to lead to the alien conclusion. Two of your videos are Youtubers. One of them had a source-- what was it some scary bedtime story TV show?

Secondly, if the facts are right on all these videos... like the Discovery channel one, which sounds a little more credible... how is this evidence for aliens? There is some percentage of the world population involved in non-mainstream cults. There are Satanists of different varieties. My wife and I had a long conversation with a former Satanist in Indonesia about the various rituals. Apparently a lot of them were sexual in nature. But there are also cultists, whether they call themselves Satanists or otherwise, that are really into blood. There are even groups who consider themselves vampires who drink blood. If other people could be in weird cults, why couldn't surgeons, veterinarians, or other medical technician types join cults and develop technologies to extract organs, blood, etc. in these strange ways?

One of the biggest indicators of something being wrong is that these animals (and sometimes human) corpses are found with no blood at the scene. They are also found drained of blood completely.

[MrMan]

Why would you think that is a ‘slip up?’ As a Christian, I see that from a trinitarian perspective. At least the Logos was involved in the creation. I have also heard non-Christian interpretations, such as God addressing the divine council or angels in the royal plural.

Isn’t Yahweh supposed to be the supreme Being? The one true creator? Why would he address an assembly of angels as though they were equals? If this isn’t a slip up which would suggest a pantheon of gods, rather than a sole creator of humanity then why is this the only instance in the Bible where Yahweh refers to the Holy Trinity. The rest of the time he says “I” I am a jealous god etc.

I told you I looked at this from a trinitarian perspective. The Bible also says that all things were made through the Word. The opening verses of Genesis show that God created the heavens and the earth, the Spirit hovered upon the face of the deep, and God SAID. The Father, the Spirit, and the Word are all present at the creation.

But God has other entities doing things throughout the Bible, not just doing everything Himself. He has angels doing things and he works through humans. And there is also another batch of sons of God, who will be made like the eternal Logos, in that after He became human, He was resurrected, immortal, from the dead. So there is another groups who will be manifested as sons of God, resurrected from the dead (or transformed) who will reign and rule with Christ.

We should also consider that the Biblical authors and readers knew what knowledge was floating around about the spirit-world and the Mesopotamian interpretations of it. There other other elim or elohim mentioned in the Bible besides the creator. There is also the term b’nei Elohim, the ‘sons of God.’ The dead sea scrolls (c.f. LXX) manuscripts of Deuteronomy 32 say the LORD divided the nations according to the number of the sons of God. That may refer to YHWH giving these spiritual entities guardianship over other nations besides Israel, and retaining Israel as an inheritance/portion, at least for a time. Though in Psalm 82, God judges the elohim for their not doing justice and decrees that He will inherit the nations. He also offers the nations to the Messiah.

The dead sea scrolls are nowhere near as old as the cuneiform clay tablets found in mesopotamia. And none of the cuneiform tablets reveal anything about Yahweh at all. There is no mention of him until the Dead Sea Scrolls.[/quote]

First of all, so what? I saw a post online about a reference to what someone interpreted as a divine name saying that he is God in the writings of Hammarabi, but I don't know Akkadian and haven't studied it out that deeply.

“The Dead Sea Scrolls are ancient manuscripts that were discovered between 1947 and 1956 in eleven caves near Khirbet Qumran, on the northwestern shores of the Dead Sea. They are approximately two thousand years old, dating from the third century BCE to the first century CE.”

So two thousand years old. When compared to the dating of cuneiform clay tablets:

“The oldest tablets in the collection date from the reign of Gudea of Lagash, from 2144–2124 B.C. That makes them more than 4,200 years old.”

From what I've read, many cultures have an idea of the Most High God, then they went off and worshipped lesser spirits, but many cultures still retain some knowledge of the Most High God. The descent into idolatry happened long ago.

They are older. And they are stories told by the first civilization of humans about a pantheon of gods and goddesses who descended from the heavens in their flying crafts. The Annunaki “Those who from Heaven came down”

Which you mix with a very modern mythology about flying saucers and space aliens to come up with the alien astronaut hypothesis. Do you have a quote about descending in flying crafts, btw? Do you read cuneiform, or do you rely on the interpreters of 'history' on the TV show 'Ancient Aliens.'

You ought to try to get some questions to Dr. Heiser about flying ship quotes. He studied Semetic languages and mentions Akkadian from time to time. He may actually know Akkadian and be able to read the cuneiform. It would be good to hear about this from someone who considers it from the perspective of an academic who studies the languages and culture of the Ancient Near East rather than from an entertainment TV show promoting alien conspiracy theories. Heiser apparently talks to people at Ancient Alien conferences, but you could also figure out how to forward him a question to answer on his podcast.

It’s curious how none of these beings ever mentioned Yahweh during their interactions with humanity.

If these beings interacted with humanity and did not want humans to worship the most high God, why would they mention Him?

I will watch the interview when I get chance and let you know what I think when I have done so. Been really busy with work and my daughter so I don't get as much free time to invest into the forum.

I know what that is like.

[MrMan]

The pyramids are a complete mystery to us. Nobody knows how the Ancient Egyptians were capable of building such an advanced structure, and when I say advanced I don't mean metallic structures with sliding doors, but advanced in terms of the mathematical calculations, astrological calculations and geographical calculations. Plus, moving those blocks, some of which weigh several tons and how they were cut and erected to a height of 500 feet just seems impossible for people with limited technology to accomplish.

Really? So what?

First of all, I wouldn't accept your word for it that no one knows how the pyramids were built. I don't spend a lot of time studying the pyramids, but I know that there are lots of people with theories on how the pyramids were built, and one or someone of them may be right. If they are convinced they are right and happen to be right, then the know.

But even if they don't know, so what? Ancient people were as smart as we were. If worldview led them to build these structures for whatever reason, and they spent numerous generations working out the math and the construction technology, why would space men have to be involved?

I know you reason that they must have some kind of forgotten technology, but no evidence for such technology exists.

If your assertion that no one knows how the pyramids were built... yes it does. The pyramids are evidence.

Not even testimonial evidence. But testimonial evidence for beings arriving to earth and teaching humanity advanced civilization does exist.

Baring in mind, some of these philosophical concepts from Hermeticism are insights I had during a psychedelic experience before I had even done any research into the philosophy.

I've heard the idea that drugs can open up people's minds to demons, also.

[Lucas88]

It is the belief of @Lucas88 and myself that these reptilian beings made the Jews, Yahweh's own chosen people who he instructs to dominate over the Gentiles (Enki's people) hell! Lucas88 even posted evidence of their agenda in his Esoteric Side of The Jews thread. Also, @WilliamSmith and @Tsar have posted plenty of examples of their evil as well.

Even other Christians such as @Outcast9428 and @Cornfed see through the Jews and the evil of the Old Testament.

Throughout history ever race has had an aversion to these people and throughout history they have attempted to subvert Gentile culture through their usury and slave morality religions.

Having studied various ancient mythologies including the prebiblical ones of the Near East, it seems obvious to me that in the ancient past there were two opposing factions of extraterrestrial/otherworldly beings whom ancient men revered as gods or angels. One faction was led by Enki/Prometheus and consisted of the old Pagan gods and goddesses who were recognized by the likes of the Sumerians, Egyptians and early Hindus. This faction taught our earliest ancestors the arts of civilization and bestowed upon humanity occult knowledge for our spiritual evolution and ascension to godhood. The other faction was led by Yahweh/El/Anu and included certain evil gods and the so-called "angels" of the Abrahamic religions. Those entities seek to enslave humanity and deprive us of all true occult knowledge. The religions which they have created are deceptive programs for our enslavement and destruction.

Unfortunately for us, Yahweh (just a megalomaniacal false god and certainly not the creator of the universe) and his malevolent faction defeated our original gods and goddesses in the most recent battle, expelled them from the Earth, removed all true occult knowledge and subjected humanity to their slave religions. They alone are the architects of this world of misery and suffering. This event can be seen in the myth of Prometheus and even in biblical myths such as those of the Watchers being banished to the Abyss and the Dragon/Ancient Serpent and his angels being chained up until the end of time. The dictator Yahweh ousted Enki/Prometheus from power and imprisoned many gods from his faction or at least forced them into exile. His loyal followers then wrote slanderous stories about our true gods in their perverse religious literature (chock-full of gruesome evil shit, by the way) and accused Enki/Prometheus of being the bad guy. Meanwhile, the evil angels allied with Yahweh and who created Judaism, Christianity and Islam turned this world into their own little playground for their sadistic evil.

Christians and other Abrahamists are unable to see the bigger picture because they are still stuck in the Judaic matrix of thought. They blindly accept the biblical version of the story as truth while completely ignoring any perspective from the defeated other side. History is written by the victors and therefore serves an agenda but Christians and other Abrahamists lack any semblance of critical thought and just parrot the biblical narrative without question. Because of this they buy into the false narrative of a cosmic struggle between Yahweh and Satan and uncritically regard Yahweh as the good guy and their own offshoot of Abrahamism as a force of absolute good and are therefore blind to the older Enkist/Promethean perspective of Enki/Prometheus' defense of humanity in the face of Yahweh's tyranny and subsequent banishment at the hands of Yahweh's allies who are humanity's true adversaries and oppressors. In addition to their ignorance, Christians suffer from Stockholm syndrome and will make endless excuses for the evil deeds and enslaving doctrines of a Jewish god who hates Gentile humanity anyway.

Enki taught Adapa the knowledge of godhood. That knowledge was the sacred Kundalini which has the potential to raise a human being to the evolutionary state of a higher godlike being and this is even reflected in the Book of Genesis (a later Hebrew plagiarism of Sumerian myths) in which our true father is represented as a serpent which is symbolic of the ascended Kundalini and tells Adam and Eve that such will open their eyes and make them as Elohim. Yahweh however sought to prohibit and demonize the knowledge of godhood. His faction instead concocted false religions with their "plan of salvation" which consist of our absolute submission to the demonic god of Israel and involve fear, control and psychological manipulation. Those religions would ensure total obedience to Yahweh's false authority with threats of judgment and damnation. Meanwhile, our original gods and benefactors were defamed as "demons" and "fallen angels" in the Bible, Talmud and Kabbalah and misrepresented as the "demons of hell" in Christian demonology and the Goetia.

The Jews are the chosen people of the demonic impostor god Yahweh. He made them in his own image and gave them the task of infiltrating and destroying all of the Gentile nations of the Earth. It is all just a sick game to those evil entities who are the real "demons". The election of the Jews at the hands of the demonic impostor god Yahweh is the occult reason why they have developed such a supremacist and anti-Gentile ideology since the time of the Torah (yes, the Torah itself and the rest of the Bible are full of that perverse crap and not just the Talmud as some dishonest people - usually Christians - would have us believe) and conspire to subvert the societies of the Gentiles wherever they go. The elite Jews hate humanity because they themselves aren't truly human and are merely the servants of a foreign god who despises humanity. They are a truly demonic race (of course, here I'm strictly talking about a subset of elite Jews, not the average Israeli citizen who doesn't know anything about religion or the Jewish conspiracy).

Christians also play into the deception, and I don't have much respect for them either, especially for the incessantly tubthumping, fanatical ones who love Jews and turn a blind eye to their evil and support Zionism. Christians promote the worship of the evil Jewish god Yahweh and submission to his slave program and sometimes outright Jewish Messianism. They too are our enemies. Some Christians are nice, well-meaning people who just happen to be blinded by so much deception since childhood and are unable to unplug themselves from the programming, but many Christians are truly perverse souls who just seek to push their creepy little batshit crazy Jewish slave religion on everyone else at all costs and force everybody else to submit to their tyrannical one vision under Yahweh and their false Jew Messiah Yeshua and demonize anybody who doesn't go along with their twisted little cult. The more fanatical of the Christians are nothing more than perverse little slave souls totally possessed by the deceptive Messianic slave program of Yahweh. They are our enemies just like the Zionist and Kabbalistic Jews and we should view them as such.

To hell with Judaism and Yahweh's other slave religions! We are Gentiles and our true gods are Enki and the original gods of old! We as worthy Gentiles must fight against the deception of Abrahamism to the very end. This is war and we must know who our enemies are!

[MrMan]

@Lucas88 The various polytheistic religions are brutal and immoral. Most of us are more familiar with the Grecco-Roman stories. Let's take stories about the Greek mythology for example. They do stuff like eating their children, chopping their dad's private parts off. The stories tell of how Zeus runs around committing adultery. There are stories about he and others, like Poseiden, raping females--humans or goddesses. Then there are the stories of mean Hera persecuting Zeus' bastards and making their lives hard.

And Greek paganism was divorced from morality. Thieves would worship Hermes. Stealing had its own place in the religion. So did trickery and such. Dionysus was associated with drunkenness and sex orgies.

Middle eastern polytheistic religion may have been just as bad or worse. There is evidence of large-scale sacrifice of children to Canaanite religion. Mayan and Aztec polytheism was brutal also. Aztecs are well known for tearing the hearts out of their human sacrifice victims. The Spanish said they sold the meat in the market.

Even Hindus have temples for their prostitutes. Their version of transgender is also entwined with their religion.

Typically, polytheism is divorced from morality. There are gods for doing evil and gods for doing good. They just use up their resources serving this spirit or that.

If you think YHWH beat other gods, why would you want to serve these other gods, the losers? Why would you want to be a part of the loser religion in your own worldview.

You are also wrong about the idea that YHWH wants Jews to destroy Gentiles. The plan is for all nations to be blessed through Abraham. Before Jesus came, there were prophecies about Gentiles believing in the Messiah, and Israelites rejecting Him (at least for a time.)

Connecting all this to alien astronauts makes no sense. You get that from TV and the movies and online streaming shows.