What toxic masculinity really is

[Outcast9428]

This is all quite fascinating to me because I've done both these things... I have had sex that was meaningful, and sex devoid of meaning. And in all honesty, some of the most amazing and fascinating sexual encounters I have had, have been in the more casual context. Now granted I've had amazing sex within committed relationships as well. But for me, after a certain number of encounters, a certain number of years, the joy sort of gets taken out of things. Am I alone in this, am I somehow fundamentally broken for feeling this way? I do not know. But I do know that many other men feel the same way. Like I love sex, within marriage, within a stable relationship. But sooner or later, the excitement dies down a little. For me, that is.

I've noticed that, for instance, if I would sleep with a new partner again at the beginning of a new fling or relationship, the first times we do it I'm rock-hard, and I can do it again, and again, round after round, not to brag or be vulgar but after a few weeks, or months, I'm not in that state of mind anymore. Things become a little boring. I'm still happy with the girl, we're fine, but I've seen her body many times and I'm a bit, bored?

A lot of men want more sex, with more girls, because perhaps we're programmed to spread our seed and this is, for some men, a viable reproductive strategy. I believe it was @Cornfed who once said that there are two "types" of men; those who marry one woman, stick with her and raise a conservative family, and those who f**k around and impregnate random girls, then ditch them and go on to the next, pumping and dumping their way through life. The degenerate approach would likely land a man with more descendants, as his equally degenerate sons, some raised by single moms after daddy dearest skipped town, will likely follow in his nasty footsteps. Whereas a perfectly decent one-woman-for-life salaryman may raise two incel sons and a frigid repressed daughter for all we know and have only a few or zero grandchildren.

So there's different ways of men reproducing, viewing sex, family, and all of it. Some of this is dictated by nature, dictated perhaps by a man's impulse control, or his levels of testosterone or what-have-you. There are times, my friend, where I feel that I'm essentially fighting against my very nature just to stay with one woman for life. I badly want to do it, be faithful and stay with her. But it's not easy. And I cannot be the only man who feels this way, @Lucas88 or @Pixel--Dude may understand this point, and even @Tsar confided in me once that "one woman may not cut it for him". @WilliamSmith probably gets this too. This... desire. Instinct, if you will, that just calls us.

For instance the very act of not looking at other girls when committed to one? Hard as hell. Not to desire other girls? At times almost impossible. Yes, I can "keep it in my pants" but it's not always something that is easy or even something that feels right. And making love to the same woman for years and years ond end does not satisfy, sexually, all men. I'm sorry to say this but I don't just believe in that. Perhaps at some point, after a certain number of bed partners, a man is ruined the way a woman who sleeps with many men would be ruined. Perhaps that is the case. Or perhaps this is inate in certain men. I do not know. But I spend a lot of time thinking about it, every now and then.

I completely understand. I too feel in the depths of my being a strong instinct to fcuk many different women while strict monogamy just doesn't feel right at all. I'm naturally wild and full of Dionysian sexual passion. I have an uncontrollable urge to animalistically ravage sexy, brown-skinned, big-butt Latinas. I especially love to aggressively hold them down and sexually dominate them. This is why I love wild, passionate Latin American women and hot Mulatas with jungle genetics. They are the best match for me and turn me on the most. Monogamous sentiments on the other hand feel really effeminate to me. Whenever I've had them I've always felt mentally weaker and less connected to my true masculine nature.

Like you, I also believe that some of my most satisfying sexual encounters have occurred in a non-committed context. I don't need love to find satisfaction in sexual encounters. I only need that extreme fiery passion that is just so ecstatic and addictive. Some guys say that sex without love only has the undesired effect of leaving them feeling even more empty than before, but I've never felt empty after any kind of non-committed sex. I think that those guys just have a different psychological profile or some kind of attachment issues. But I don't have that anymore. I outgrew it. Now I have a much more secure attachment type and don't need love from other people in order to be happy.

I also believe that strict monogamy is flawed as a reproductive strategy. You could beget two kids with your conservative wife following a purely k-selected strategy and then, 20 something years later, both of your kids could be tragically killed in an unforeseen accident, a violent assault, or an animal attack and you would end up without any genetic legacy. Or alternatively your kids could turn out to be homos or become ladyboys and the end result would be the same. But if you bang a few other women on the side and combine with your marriage a secondary r-selected strategy, then you have more insurance for the survival of your genetic legacy. The world is undoubtedly as hazardous place. Even the relatively safer modern world is full of lethal hazards that could potentially decimate a whole family. It seems that in light of this some level of promiscuity has been selected for. That might explain why even many men in monogamous relationships still retain some polygamous instincts.

My passion is knocking the back out of hot Latinas and fulfilling their fantasy of having their pvssies pounded by a masculine, athletic Caucasian man. I also have a love for seeing to sexually frustrated Latina milfs and making them feel desired. This is one of the reasons for which I am obsessed with being in shape and feel depressed if ever I get out of shape.

See you say you’re not advocating for frat boy/hood nigga masculinity but this sounds exactly like the frat boy/hood nigga interpretation of masculinity.

Obsession with the idea of aggression and dominance being what makes you a man - check
Disdain for the idea that men need love and relationships - check
Seeming to believe that men’s value to the world comes from how well they can seduce women - check
Knocking up women who aren’t your wife - turbo nigga

You seem to believe that a man must be the direct opposite of everything a woman is. That’s not true. There are some behaviors that it is good for both men and women to follow. Having different roles in life in life is different from trying to act like the opposite of them in every way.

I’m sorry but Latin America is proof of the dangers of adopting the primal masculinity model. Their countries are absolutely filled with gangs and violent crime because they don’t crack down on r-selected sexual strategies which overwhelmingly benefit criminals and thugs. This is not coming from the traditional side of Latin American culture it is coming from the liberal side just like it does in America.

[Outcast9428]

I’ve seen some hentais that people told me were very mild but that’s pretty much it. I have to be careful what I watch because if any porn I watch starts venturing into the wrong territory I get lightheaded and feel like I’m gonna be sick. Going from horny to lightheaded/sick feels like a really terrible transition but I consider it to be God’s amulet of protection.

Jesus said that if a man looks on a woman to lust after her, he has committed adultery with her already in his heart. Do you think God wants you to look at the non-nauseating porn?

When I have forged an exclusive bond with a girl I will quit porn entirely… You can count on that because I already did that when I was dating my ex. I didn’t even check out other women. Believe me I take loyalty and exclusivity extremely seriously.

[Outcast9428]

That’s strange, I can’t imagine ever feeling like “the first night” was better then anything that came after it. The first night for me is always the least pleasurable. It’s typically awkward, kind of fumbly, you don’t really understand each other’s bodies yet.

To be quite frank, I’m not very good on the first night . I was told by my ex that the first time we did it was a 5/10, months afterward on the other hand, I had improved to an 8.5/10.

The same thing happens for me though. The first night my orgasm is incredibly weak and feels forced. Six months into the relationship, however, and they become insanely powerful. To the point where it actually frightened me a few times because I didn’t know they could even get that powerful. I know she didn’t do anything differently from before. But what did change was that my feelings of love and affection for her were stronger.

Oxytocin is directly linked to orgasmic strength and sex drive as well. Oxytocin is also the bonding hormone and helps males and females bond to one another.

After my ex broke up with me it took months before I could fantasize about anyone else during my alone time. Any girl I conjured up in my imagination felt inadequate. Using porn was the only way I could separate myself from her psychologically.

Personally I don’t think Tsar is very traditional in the Christian sense. I’ve had about a half a dozen friends from the Middle East and somehow Tsar is more Arab in personality then all of them. He is traditionally Islamic, not traditionally Christian.

@Outcast9428 & @Lucas88

I suppose I am an odd creature. Or perhaps this is the way many other men feel and we just do not typically talk about it. I'm in this odd conundrum because on the one hand, I absolutely WANT to be with one woman. I feel happy being in a relationship, as a person. Like I feel at peace, and fulfilled. I hate coming home to an empty house and I need to surround myself with a wife, with children. This is a strong desire I have always had and I'm only really at peace in a sort of family setting. At the same time... sexually speaking, I get that "itch" ater a while. Always do. There's never been a woman who fulfilled me so much that I felt "I could make love to her for a lifetime and never tire of it".

Because, I would...

I'd still love her. I would want to be married to her, and grow old together. But I would also desire to be with other women. A new face. A fresh body. Exploring someone else. I fantasize about discovering what her body looks like. Intimiate details. All her parts, their shape, color, how perky she is... it drives me insane, really.

But I can't also live like a bachelor, hopping from girl to girl. I'm the committed type, I want a woman who sleeps with me and with me only. But for myself, I sometimes desire a little more variety. That doesn't mean I want to stray, want to cheat on her. That would be awful. It just means that the desire to cheat remains. That desire to do things I really shouldn't be doing.

So yeah, that's my little conundrum here. My dilemma. I'm wired to seek out different girls, to desire a certain level of variety, a diversity of ladies. And I'm also wired, at the same time, to be a family man. No empty houses and minimalist living for me. I'm not a modern Westerner. I'd like to be traditional but being traditional isn't easy. It doesn't come natural to all men. And that's a bit of a problem. Like I know what I should be doing, and I strive to do it. But at the same time, I'm painfully aware of how all we have is but one life, and it's all over in the blink of an eye. We're nothing but a drop in the ocean of eternity and this eats me up alive sometimes, this knowledge of how short it all is, and how soon it will all be over. So what to do? I have a lot of kids now. I have a serious girlfriend who I love to bits, who is sexy as hell, beautiful, a stunner... she's sweet too.

And yet part of me knows, even now, that regardless of how perfect a girl may be, sooner or later things become a routine and that excitement of the chase and the conquest I once felt will die down. And deep inside me this fire screams for more, more, more. Perhaps at my core I am a degenerate. But that does not mean that I give in to my every desire, that I will hurt my girl, hurt my family. It doesn't mean I lack self-control. It just means that this isn't easy. Traditionalism seems like the most logical way to go, and yet it's also difficult. To live a life of sex and debauchery seems meaningless to me in the long run, but to completely shut myself off from some of those early delights seems like a painful compromise in and of itself.

I think you are mixed between k-selected and r-selected. Most people are some kind of mix. White people in particular I think tend to be a mix because very few white people want to live like most black people do. White people also don’t usually have the hardcore biological monogamy that Asians do though. Don’t get wrong there are definitely plenty of whites who do, just not most.

My hopes of course are to either sustain my k-selected genes or intensify them. They’re already pretty k-selected so I suppose it isn’t necessary to find a girl more k-selected then me.

I think if somebody who is mixed marries a more k-selected girl you can still improve your kid’s prospects if you have a lot of them.

Hardcore r-selectionists are nearly always criminals who break the law in many ways. In high school I was more liberal and believed that promiscuous people could be good people but in my personal life, since starting college, I have never met a true r-selectionist who was a good person. Every single one of them was an asshole. It’s not just the promiscuity, it goes along with a lot of other traits and behaviors.

If I hadn’t met so many true r-selectionists I probably would have become a liberal conservative type who supports traditional values but not in a forceful way. In Virginia, you never see truly r-selected people in white suburban neighborhoods. They are entirely relegated to the ghettos. In college was where I actually met people who sleep with many dozens of women and whom I truly think are incapable of monogamy.

I feel really bad for K-selected blacks because they really really struggle in their communities, they get bullied and are seen as weak losers by their peers. In my experience nobody seems to hate mainstream black culture more then truly k-selected blacks.

I realized though that there’s a reason why people judge R-selected people harshly. I also used to believe people were secretly jealous of them but meeting them in person, they are terrible people. They are the types who think pushing their friend down the stairs is funny, who beat other people up for fun, they make excuses for sexual assault and blurring the lines between sex and rape, they believe that might makes right and hate the civilized world because it restrains their ability to follow their animalistic instincts.

People may say they can’t help it because it’s in their genetics. That might be true but we still can’t let people behave the way these people do.

Personally I think Lucas is exaggerating his r-selected tendencies. Nobody who is autistic or was an incel at any point in life, and intelligent on top of that is r-selected. It’s genetically impossible. He is a mix at the least, possibly even leaning on k-selected without even realizing it. I think he is putting on the persona he believes will make him sexually successful but I seriously doubt that’s what he really is. High functioning autism is practically the result of very k-selected genes. There are studies showing that autistic males form insanely powerful attachments/infatuations with women they like. An autistic male will feel the same way about a female three years into the relationship that a normie would feel about her 3 months into the relationship.

On a subconscious level Lucas probably thinks it’s his only option. He is committed to the persona because he fears that not being that type of man will make him unattractive to Latina women. His fear is not without merit. I doubt that all Latina women are really like that though. It may be the majority of them but I doubt they are all like that.

[CaptainSkelebob]

Mercer is such a queen
I dont know why he has to be so triggered just because real men exist out there....
This is what I was talking about fellas!!
Isnt Mercer showing us what toxic masculinity is right here???
Its jealousy and bitterness and not to mention its pathetic
Just interacting with that faggot can make ur cock smaller
Thats how much of a feminine little vagina fledging he is....
Alpha masculinity is natural and healthy and leaves guys full of confidence!
Look at me fellas!!!
Im alpha and im confident and successful!!!
Ladys want me and little beta fags secretly want to be me

You have threads about men becoming ladyboys and feminist bullshit like "toxic masculinity". You're a cunt.

Men do become ladyboys
Ur probly another sissy comment away from becoming a ladyboy urself
Everything you say just screams little beta vagina fledgling
Ur calling me a cunt because you dont like that I am a true alpha wolf and ur just a little weak homo
If you cant handle getting it back then you should leave discussions about masculinity to the men and go back to painting ur nails

[MrMan]

I’ve seen some hentais that people told me were very mild but that’s pretty much it. I have to be careful what I watch because if any porn I watch starts venturing into the wrong territory I get lightheaded and feel like I’m gonna be sick. Going from horny to lightheaded/sick feels like a really terrible transition but I consider it to be God’s amulet of protection.

Jesus said that if a man looks on a woman to lust after her, he has committed adultery with her already in his heart. Do you think God wants you to look at the non-nauseating porn?

When I have forged an exclusive bond with a girl I will quit porn entirely… You can count on that because I already did that when I was dating my ex. I didn’t even check out other women. Believe me I take loyalty and exclusivity extremely seriously.

What about loyalty to Christ? The Lord looks on the heart. Women don't. Looking to lust is adultery in the heart.

[Lucas88]

Personally I think Lucas is exaggerating his r-selected tendencies. Nobody who is autistic or was an incel at any point in life, and intelligent on top of that is r-selected. It’s genetically impossible. He is a mix at the least, possibly even leaning on k-selected without even realizing it. I think he is putting on the persona he believes will make him sexually successful but I seriously doubt that’s what he really is. High functioning autism is practically the result of very k-selected genes. There are studies showing that autistic males form insanely powerful attachments/infatuations with women they like. An autistic male will feel the same way about a female three years into the relationship that a normie would feel about her 3 months into the relationship.

On a subconscious level Lucas probably thinks it’s his only option. He is committed to the persona because he fears that not being that type of man will make him unattractive to Latina women. His fear is not without merit. I doubt that all Latina women are really like that though. It may be the majority of them but I doubt they are all like that.

@Outcast9428

I think that you have a tendency to get caught up with rigid theories and attempts to place types of people and certain patterns of human behavior into narrow boxes and then you become confused or doubtful of other people's testimony when reality doesn't conform to your preconceived expectations. Reality is more complicated than rigid theories. Human behavior is especially complex.

I don't claim to be r-selected. I have a preponderance of traits typically associated with k-selection such as high intelligence and a relatively high level of conscientiousness. But I'm not completely monogamous. Like most men, I desire to have sex with various women.

I am not putting on a persona either. I simply prefer sexual variety and enjoy the aggressive sexual domination of women. At the same time I find the idea of a monogamous relationship extremely boring. Moreover, I don't need to put on a persona to attract Latinas. Most Latinas would be perfectly happy to have a monogamous Caucasian boyfriend. A conscientious, loyal, non-player, romantic guy would be seen as a gem. But I'm not aspiring to be that kind of guy. I've become too fond of a variety of Latina phenotypes and pure ecstatic sexual passion. Once again I assure you that I'm not putting on a persona. I have a genuine desire to knock the back out of multiple Latinas because they are my passion!

Not all autistic people behave the same way you expect them to behave. You have just got it into your head that autistic people are necessarily a certain way because of a few autistic people who you've met. We're not all like that. I'm certainly not. I was always socially impaired and therefore incompetent with girls but that doesn't mean that I didn't want to sleep with them. I wanted to sleep with girls but I just couldn't due to my own social ineptitude. Had I been neurotypical and socially competent I would have probably slept with as many girls as my peers. Autism isn't a blessing or the result of k-selected genes. It's just a neurological impairment which limits the affected in various areas of life and makes anything that requires social skills a lot more difficult. It's nothing more than an undesirable handicap. Fortunately, in adulthood, I've managed to improve my social skills somewhat and have also found a culture that favors me a lot more. Now that I have more possibilities with women I am able to have the sexual experiences that I always wanted but never could.

My inceldom also had a lot to do with the fact that I grew up in a culture that just didn't suit me at all. I'm an odd case. I just cannot function socially in the UK and can barely maintain conversations with British people outside of my family and very small circle of friends, yet alone talk to girls. I don't even feel comfortable socializing in English. I just feel like a bumbling idiot whenever I am in the midst of alien British people. I much prefer to socialize in Spanish and feel that Hispanic culture suits me much better and that the language brings out a more sociable side in me. All of my girlfriends have been Spanish-speaking Latinas. I can only maintain meaningful conversations with foreign women and in a Spanish-speaking environment. I'm unable to connect with British people whatsoever. My problem - in addition to autism - is that I was simply born into the wrong culture. This completely made impossible any social development and it wasn't until I left for Spain that I began to develop my social skills and have an opportunity to enjoy a normal social life and relationships.

[Outcast9428]

I’ve seen some hentais that people told me were very mild but that’s pretty much it. I have to be careful what I watch because if any porn I watch starts venturing into the wrong territory I get lightheaded and feel like I’m gonna be sick. Going from horny to lightheaded/sick feels like a really terrible transition but I consider it to be God’s amulet of protection.

Jesus said that if a man looks on a woman to lust after her, he has committed adultery with her already in his heart. Do you think God wants you to look at the non-nauseating porn?

When I have forged an exclusive bond with a girl I will quit porn entirely… You can count on that because I already did that when I was dating my ex. I didn’t even check out other women. Believe me I take loyalty and exclusivity extremely seriously.

What about loyalty to Christ? The Lord looks on the heart. Women don't. Looking to lust is adultery in the heart.

I am not in a relationship though, I can’t commit adultery if there’s no one to commit adultery on. Like I said, once I’m in a relationship I will quit it. You have my guarantee.

[Cornfed]

I am not in a relationship though, I can’t commit adultery if there’s no one to commit adultery on.

It needs to keep being pointed out that adultery consists of a married woman having sex with someone other than her husband. It is not possible to commit adultery "on" a woman.

Probably what MrMan was referring to was a misconstruction of what Jesus said to Pharisees about marriage.

[MrMan]

I am not in a relationship though, I can’t commit adultery if there’s no one to commit adultery on.

It needs to keep being pointed out that adultery consists of a married woman having sex with someone other than her husband. It is not possible to commit adultery "on" a woman.

Probably what MrMan was referring to was a misconstruction of what Jesus said to Pharisees about marriage.

Matthew 5
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

And compare to the Old Testament:
Job 3
1 “I made a covenant with my eyes not to look with lust at a young woman.(NLT)

[Lucas88]

See you say you’re not advocating for frat boy/hood nigga masculinity but this sounds exactly like the frat boy/hood nigga interpretation of masculinity.

You really are quick to come to conclusions, aren't you, Outcast? So you think that I'm advocating for hood nigga masculinity. Based on what exactly? An admission that I like having NSA sex with Latinas and enjoy getting wild and physical with them? Is that it?

I'll have you know that I don't behave like a hood nigga at all nor do I have any hood nigga traits (unless you really want to insist that having non-committed sexual encounters with Latinas and enjoying a bit of wild passionate sex makes me like a hood nigga). I practice martial arts and embrace the warrior path, but I see martial arts as a medium of controlled violence to be used for noble purposes such as self-defense and the defense of other noble beings. I don't advocate mindless thuggery or beating people up for the fun of it. I strongly advocate the pursuit of learning and wisdom as well as creative endeavors and other forms of edifying self-realization. I don't care about any silly frat boy bullshit. My own view with regard to proper development for a man is that a complete man is one who pursues both intellectual/philosophical and physical/martial virtues. Any man who pursues only one of these without the other remains incomplete. A wise or philosophically developed man doesn't engage in mindless violence. A man who is both wise and martially developed uses reason as his guiding principle and channels his primally masculine qualities into constructive activities. I am an intellectual/philosopher first and foremost but have at the same time sufficiently developed my warriorlike and primally masculine side. I don't repress my primal masculinity; I integrate it harmoniously with my other qualities.

You know what, Outcast? I think that you have a very ideological view of things and then hastily make assumptions about certain types of people and especially certain types of men in light of your own prejudices, hence why you see everything as hood nigga masculinity if it falls outside of your narrow, preconceived view of how a man is supposed to be. You seem to have a phobia or suspicion of everything that is primally masculine or colloquially deemed "alpha". My guess is that you're a nerdy guy who had a bad experience with the jock types and now assumes that all alpha types are dangerous and toxic and conversely regards the harmless nerdy beta types as the epitome of good. You've made various assumptions about me, so I'll also take the liberty of making an assumption about you based on impressions and things that you've written.

Obsession with the idea of aggression and dominance being what makes you a man - check

I've never had an obsession with the idea of aggression and dominance as the basis of masculinity. I simply recognize that physical strength and capacity for violence (in a self-defense context) are important components of masculinity. We live in an unpredictable and chaotic world in which the threat of violence is very real and ourselves and our loved ones could be attacked. We therefore have inside us an instinct for combat and survival. Any man worth his salt must cultivate this instinct, develop his physical attributes and learn the art of war. He must be able to protect his woman and his family as well as his community. Men who don't do these things are... well... pussies. Women are widely attracted to physical fitness and primal masculinity because these have ensured our survival throughout the millennia. This is why I recommend that men develop these qualities in a constructive way.

Disdain for the idea that men need love and relationships - check

I don't have disdain for the idea that men need love and relationships. I just don't think that they're for me or harmonize well with my own psychological constitution. Some men need love and relationships in order to feel satisfied. Others don't. Every guy must pursue what he perceives as best for himself.

Seeming to believe that men’s value to the world comes from how well they can seduce women - check

Seeming, right? You assume wrong. I've never said that a man's value comes from how well he can seduce women, nor do I believe it. A man can derive his value from many different things. He could be a scholar and derive his value from his intellectual pursuits. He could be an artist and derive his value from his artwork. If those things are where a man derives his value from, then his ability to seduce women is irrelevant. Even a complete incel can have value from achievements that are not related to the pursuit of women. Sex and relationships are just one aspect of life out of many.

Knocking up women who aren’t your wife - turbo nigga

I never said anything about knocking women up and have never done so to my own knowledge. Today we have modern contraception. I know that rubber johnnies are gross, but some women insist.

You seem to believe that a man must be the direct opposite of everything a woman is. That’s not true. There are some behaviors that it is good for both men and women to follow. Having different roles in life in life is different from trying to act like the opposite of them in every way.

You believe wrong. I've studied occultism in depth and understand that men and women share both yang and yin energies and properties. An advanced soul understands the need to harmonize and integrate these two polarities. But that doesn't mean that primally masculine traits should be suppressed. Rather they should be controlled and integrated. A complete male harmonizes primally masculine traits with empathic and caring traits. Yang and yin are mutually complementary.

I’m sorry but Latin America is proof of the dangers of adopting the primal masculinity model. Their countries are absolutely filled with gangs and violent crime because they don’t crack down on r-selected sexual strategies which overwhelmingly benefit criminals and thugs. This is not coming from the traditional side of Latin American culture it is coming from the liberal side just like it does in America.

What you describe is simply misguided/poorly channeled primal masculinity. If you want examples of positively channeled primal masculinity, check out GSP or Khabib Nurmagomedov. Just two examples out of many.

Most of Latin America is fine. The gangbangers and cartels are just a marginal phenomenon. Some people talk as though Latin America is all one big ghetto like GTA everywhere but they're just talking out of their asses. 99% of the people who I met in Peru and Mexico were just normal people. I never even witnessed any acts of violence at all.

[Outcast9428]

@Lucas88

I've had bad experiences with all promiscuous people. I used to be liberal in high school believe it or not. I was very hippie-like with my "oh don't ever judge people, don't stereotype people, don't make assumptions." I tried to see the good in everybody. I was a fool, and that attitude put me around a lot of sketchy people. People who took advantage of my kindness, of how forgiving I was. No matter how obvious of a douchebag they were I tried to look for the good inside them.

Nowadays, I ruthlessly judge people, stereotype them, and make assumptions... Most of the time, they turn out to be true. It has kept me out of a lot of trouble since I started being unapologetic about it. I have much more trustworthy friends now, much more loyal. I've become extremely exclusive about who I let into my inner circle. I don't let anybody into my inner circle who sleeps around.

It is impossible not to notice the correlation between how many sexual partners a person has had in life and generally being of a weaker moral constitution. WilliamSmith is the only promiscuous person I've met who actually does seem to be leaning more towards the light then the dark. Everybody else I've met who was promiscuous was a bully, a thug, and could not understand right from wrong. Similarly, I never seem to meet monogamous people who act like that. Every person I've met who had a low sexual partner count was kind, conscientious, and cared for other people's welfare. Sleeping around, as I discovered, is inherently immoral all by itself, but its more then that, being promiscuous is one of the most obvious signs of somebody lacking any sense of right or wrong. I guarantee you that the vast majority of gangsters and thugs are promiscuous. Gang members have an extremely high number of sexual partners on average compared to normal men. The following study found that several gang members had slept with 10 girls or more within the past three months. None of the 60 non gang members studied, had a sexual partner count this high. 7 gang members had slept with 4 or more girls within the past 30 days, only 2 non-gang members had been with 4 girls. None of them had slept with 5 or 6, however, whereas two gang members did.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... y_approach

The fact is, what studies like this show is that promiscuity is the sexual strategy of bad people. Bad people are the only ones who seem to thrive in promiscuous environments. People say poverty is what fuels crime yet Indonesia and India are low in crime rates. The truth is, allowing promiscuity or polygamy is what fuels crime because its how thugs reproduce. There are definitely neutral morality people who adopt the same strategy. But the sexual strategy of promiscuity and polygamy, is overwhelmingly adopted by and beneficial to society's worst people. All of the most morally advanced civilizations in history seem to have noticed that the only sexual freedom which doesn't result in thuggery spreading like wildfire is prostitution. Because prostitution is neutral. Both good people and bad people can benefit from it but neither side really benefits more. This is why even the most ultra-conservative societies in history have allowed prostitution.

You may not have personally encountered it, and yes, crime is not as bad in Peru as it is in other Latin American nations. But just because you haven't personally encountered it doesn't mean it isn't a huge problem. Latin American countries have some of the highest homicide rates in the entire world. And this can't be explained by poverty because there are plenty of poor Asian countries that don't have these huge problems with homicide and violence. The Philippines is actually the worst one yet their homicide rate is only 4.4 per 100,000 whereas the Honduras is currently at 36.3 and this is a quiet year for them. At times, countries like El Salvador and the Honduras have had homicide rates close to 100 per 100,000 people. Mexico and Brazil have had hundreds of thousands of their people killed by criminal gangs over the past 20 years. Colombia has long had a crime problem, and Venezuela has a really major crime problem too. If it was just Venezeula perhaps we could explain it by saying its the result of severe poverty caused by socialism... If it was just Mexico we could say that Mexico is a major drug transit point to the US which naturally makes it a warzone. If it was just Colombia we could say that's where all the cocaine is produced. But why the hell does Brazil, the Honduras, Belize, El Salvador, Guatemala, Puerto Rico, the Bahamas, and many other tiny little islands in the Caribbean that have no strategic value to the drug trade have such insanely high levels of homicide? Pretty much every country that I've mentioned has a homicide rate that is on par with the Congo or South Africa.

Again, do you really think that its the traditional/conservative, religious, monogamous people in those countries doing all that stuff? Of course not, you know as well as I do that virtually everybody doing that stuff pursues a promiscuous, R-selected sexual strategy. The only way to prevent thuggery from running rampant is to enforce monogamy because you make thugs' sexual strategy completely ineffective by doing so.

You say things along the lines of "I don't worry about crime because I haven't gotten mugged yet." Crime is more then just getting mugged on the streets. There is criminal behavior on the public streets and then there's criminal behavior behind closed doors. Criminal behavior on the streets shows that the criminal behavior behind closed doors is overflowing so badly that its even leaking out onto the streets. Most criminal behavior that your average person encounters is committed by people they know. People they were foolish enough to become acquainted with. Even normal, every day people can become criminals behind closed doors in domestic situations where they don't believe their actions will ever be reported to the police.

This is why college campuses, despite having extremely low crime rates, can still be filled with sketchy people. None of the frat boys are out there gunning people down in the streets. However, they do do things like raping their pledge members during hazing rituals (yes the whole gay hazing rituals thing is real), forcing pledges to murder puppies, pushing one another down the stairs, having giant brawls, having competitions to swallow as many gold fish as possible, bullying non-Greek students on campus, taking people out into the middle of the forest, taking their phone away and forcing them to figure out their way back to the campus, raping girls who go to their parties. Sometimes their violence does spill out in ways that are more trackable because they get drunk and end up assaulting a police officer but that's pretty much it, nothing else is something you can record or track.

What I saw at college was essentially a mini-society of people acting like complete baboons who never had to face consequences for their actions because people think "they're just kids having fun with no responsibilities! Just the way life should be!" meanwhile these are grown ass adults who's idea of "fun" seems to be who can kill the most number of goldfish without throwing up, punching each other or police officers, and getting one another inebriated to the point of passing out so they can sexually take advantage of one another.

Whether you guys want to admit it or not, libertine social norms are what lead to this kind of behavior because promiscuity goes hand in hand with the mindset "I will take what I want and do what I want and you are going to deal with it." You don't ever see genuinely conservative people acting this way. As soon as I started exclusively hanging out with conservative people, all of that stuff immediately ended.

[Lucas88]

I'd reckon he could do the whole "primal masculinity" thing within the context of a committed relationship, too, if he were so inclined. It's perfectly possible to do the whole "dominant bedroom behavior" spiel and yet not sleep around and cheat on the girl. If he's also a very fit dude who's into martial arts, his lifestyle may have boosted his testosterone levels which could make a man into a more dominant lover; I once read Arnold Schwarzenegger would often have sex with two or three different girls a day in his absolute prime. Bruce Lee was a very energetic lover too and had quite a few bed partners; he died at the apartment of a mistress in Hong Kong. Being highly physically active and prone to working out goes hand in hand with having a higher than usual sex drive.

Marcos gets it!

Primal masculinity isn't an inherently negative thing. It may manifest itself positively and often does in many men. And yes, it is not mutually exclusive with monogamy either.

@Outcast9428 doesn't seem to be able to distinguish between positive and negative manifestations of primal masculinity. He assumes that all men with primally masculine qualities are going to be dangerous and toxic and behave like hood niggas just because of his own phobias and negative experiences with the obnoxious frat boy types. But Outcast only focuses on the negative examples of sociopathic and thuglike "alphas" (much like how the RedPill and MGTOW crowds only focus on bad women). He has become totally blind to the countless examples of men who channel their primal masculinity into positive endeavors and who don't behave like thugs or criminals. Outcast therefore erroneously concludes that primal masculinity is inherently bad and leads to thuggery and then zealously promotes pussified beta masculinity as the only "moral" option while arbitrarily asserting that any woman who is attracted to primally masculine qualities and who isn't attracted to his own idealized version of beta masculinity is necessarily a "degenerate".

But the truth is that plenty of normal women are attracted to primally masculine qualities when those are manifested in positive ways. Most women love a guy who works out, has a chiseled masculine physique, displays dominant masculine behavior, and has primally masculine hobbies. That stuff turns them on at a deep primal level. It is engrained into their survival instinct. This is why I urge men to reawaken and cultivate their own primally masculine qualities if they want to attract women (in addition to learning social skills and how to talk to women). It will make them more attractive than the average beta. Let's be honest: many betas are just straight up pussies and lack masculinity. I can totally understand why women are not attracted to them or find them sexually boring. I see such betas as incomplete men. They haven't cultivated their latent primally masculine qualities which are a normal part of masculinity but then become resentful that women don't like them and want to blame women for their own deficiencies.

You're right about how lifestyle changes have an effect on testosterone. Working out always made me more sexually aggressive. MMA training also reconnected me with my own primal masculinity and allowed me to develop a much more dominant side as though it rewired me brain. Outcast doesn't believe that somebody could ever go from being an autistic incel to being primally masculine and sexually dominant with women because that doesn't conform to how he assumes that an autistic male should behave and so he assumes that I must be lying or exaggerating or putting on a persona, but I've experienced for myself how immersing myself in the hypermasculine world of MMA/combat sports radically changed my personality in the course of a few years and brought out qualities in me that I never knew I had. I did cultivate my primal masculinity and began to do better with Latinas as a result but that didn't turn me into a thug or a criminal or an obnoxious frat boy. A real man harmonizes primal masculinity with discipline and constructive pursuits. Low IQ morons think that beating people up in the street or abusing women make them masculine. Yes, many normal women love primally masculine men with discipline and empathic traits but wouldn't want to be with a thug or abuser. Women who are attracted to primal masculinity in its constructive forms are not the same as hybristophilic women who love gangstas.

Being a complete degenerate seems tiresome to me. There are plenty of white men, too, who live that sort of r-selected lifestyle, men like Marlon Brando who slept with hundreds if not thousands and left dozens of children. When he died, however, his personal life was an absolute mess and he died alone, obese and miserable. Degeneracy tends to catch up to a man sooner or later. But some people are wired differently, that is also true. I have, within my biological heritage, some ancestors with strong r-selected tendencies; I have, in fact, many half-siblings I never met. And my maternal grandfather had 32 uncles and aunties. I realize for a white European male this is somewhat unusual, but all it takes is a few total Chads in your family tree and some of your genes will be somewhat out of wack.

I think that pure k-selection is rare. Most people are mixed to some degree and even many predominantly k-selected men have some r-selected tendencies. I mentioned in a previous post that the secondary r-selected tendencies might have persisted because they are conducive to the insurance of genetic survival in the event that one's few k-selected children don't survive.

Due to the prevalence of mixed selection, plenty of relatively normal guys sleep with multiple women and even engage in infidelity. The majority of those men are not violent gangbangers or criminals and mostly live as productive members of society. You yourself are testimony of that. Outcast always looks at the extreme cases and then draws conclusions from those. He doesn't seem to understand that there are levels to this.

Many mixed guys are promiscuous and cheat on their wives/girlfriends but most of them aren't out killing people or committing senseless crimes. @CaptainSkelebob for example strikes me as largely amoral and brags about bending the rules to get ahead in life, but I think that even most people like him would draw the line at things like murder.

Those who are willing to murder others for personal gain and are suited to the gangbanger lifestyle have problems that go way beyond simple r-selection and a decreased level of conscientiousness. They are naturally seriously sociopathic/psychopathic or their own sociopathic tendencies have been greatly magnified by the extreme environment of the ghettos.

[Outcast9428]

I think you are mixed between k-selected and r-selected. Most people are some kind of mix. White people in particular I think tend to be a mix because very few white people want to live like most black people do. White people also don’t usually have the hardcore biological monogamy that Asians do though. Don’t get wrong there are definitely plenty of whites who do, just not most.

Being a complete degenerate seems tiresome to me. There are plenty of white men, too, who live that sort of r-selected lifestyle, men like Marlon Brando who slept with hundreds if not thousands and left dozens of children. When he died, however, his personal life was an absolute mess and he died alone, obese and miserable. Degeneracy tends to catch up to a man sooner or later. But some people are wired differently, that is also true. I have, within my biological heritage, some ancestors with strong r-selected tendencies; I have, in fact, many half-siblings I never met. And my maternal grandfather had 32 uncles and aunties. I realize for a white European male this is somewhat unusual, but all it takes is a few total Chads in your family tree and some of your genes will be somewhat out of wack.

Personally I think Lucas is exaggerating his r-selected tendencies. Nobody who is autistic or was an incel at any point in life, and intelligent on top of that is r-selected. It’s genetically impossible. He is a mix at the least, possibly even leaning on k-selected without even realizing it. I think he is putting on the persona he believes will make him sexually successful but I seriously doubt that’s what he really is. High functioning autism is practically the result of very k-selected genes. There are studies showing that autistic males form insanely powerful attachments/infatuations with women they like. An autistic male will feel the same way about a female three years into the relationship that a normie would feel about her 3 months into the relationship.

I'm not so sure, @Lucas88 does not strike me is inauthentic. I'd argue I am probably more r-selected than he is because he seems to have slept with quite a few Latinas but was able not to impregnate them, whereas I have eight biological children myself. If Lucas was r-selected to such a degree, he'd not go through some lengths to avoid impregnating someone.

On a subconscious level Lucas probably thinks it’s his only option. He is committed to the persona because he fears that not being that type of man will make him unattractive to Latina women. His fear is not without merit. I doubt that all Latina women are really like that though. It may be the majority of them but I doubt they are all like that.

I'd reckon he could do the whole "primal masculinity" thing within the context of a committed relationship, too, if he were so inclined. It's perfectly possible to do the whole "dominant bedroom behavior" spiel and yet not sleep around and cheat on the girl. If he's also a very fit dude who's into martial arts, his lifestyle may have boosted his testosterone levels which could make a man into a more dominant lover; I once read Arnold Schwarzenegger would often have sex with two or three different girls a day in his absolute prime. Bruce Lee was a very energetic lover too and had quite a few bed partners; he died at the apartment of a mistress in Hong Kong. Being highly physically active and prone to working out goes hand in hand with having a higher than usual sex drive.

I was actually saying I did not believe he was really that r-selected. I actually think he leans slightly towards k-selected.

For people who are a mix between r-selected and k-selected, I’d say they usually end up living a serially monogamous lifestyle.

You can have a lot of testosterone or sexual energy without sexually dominating women.

[Outcast9428]

I was actually saying I did not believe he was really that r-selected. I actually think he leans slightly towards k-selected.

I may have mixed up the terminology for all I know; these are not terms I ever use in my everyday life, lol. But I'm sure you catch the drift.

For people who are a mix between r-selected and k-selected, I’d say they usually end up living a serially monogamous lifestyle.

To be serially monogamous, too, is a bit tiresome for me. To go from girlfriend to girlfriend, wife to wife, but never really get the sense of building a solid and lasting legacy, would ultimately be unfulfilling to me. At least I am still young now, early thirties, so I still have enough time to "grow old" with my current partner. Would love to one day celebrate our fifty- or sixty-year anniversary in a big house surrounded by children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. That, ultimately, would be my ideal life goal. In order to reach that goal I'd have to keep certain tendencies under control that are not helpful or even outright harmful for me in the pursuit of achieving that goal.

You can have a lot of testosterone or sexual energy without sexually dominating women.

True, but if you're a fighter, or a weightlifter or an athlete, a lot of your day-to-day life consists of competition, right? You're striving to be the best, the strongest, the fastest... this may translate into a more dominant style of sexual intercourse. Like the fitter I am, the more I exercise, the more sexually aggressive I feel, too. Whereas if I just overeat, work, sleep and burn few calories, my sexual performance sort of suffers. These things are connected. And a supremely fit man may prove to be a supremely aggressive lover. He wouldn't necessarily be some promiscuous goon or a thug, but he'd be an energetic bed partner. For all I know he'd be perfectly faithful, however. My grandfather was a very fit, handsome man who looked like Sean Connery and yet he was deeply devoted to my grandmother for sixty-one years.

I didn’t say being an energetic bed fellow is wrong. I think being passionate in a marriage is a good thing. Being sexually aggressive is not the same thing as being sexually energetic, vibrant, or passionate.

[Outcast9428]

I'd reckon he could do the whole "primal masculinity" thing within the context of a committed relationship, too, if he were so inclined. It's perfectly possible to do the whole "dominant bedroom behavior" spiel and yet not sleep around and cheat on the girl. If he's also a very fit dude who's into martial arts, his lifestyle may have boosted his testosterone levels which could make a man into a more dominant lover; I once read Arnold Schwarzenegger would often have sex with two or three different girls a day in his absolute prime. Bruce Lee was a very energetic lover too and had quite a few bed partners; he died at the apartment of a mistress in Hong Kong. Being highly physically active and prone to working out goes hand in hand with having a higher than usual sex drive.

Marcos gets it!

Primal masculinity isn't an inherently negative thing. It may manifest itself positively and often does in many men. And yes, it is not mutually exclusive with monogamy either.

@Outcast9428 doesn't seem to be able to distinguish between positive and negative manifestations of primal masculinity. He assumes that all men with primally masculine qualities are going to be dangerous and toxic and behave like hood niggas just because of his own phobias and negative experiences with the obnoxious frat boy types. But Outcast only focuses on the negative examples of sociopathic and thuglike "alphas" (much like how the RedPill and MGTOW crowds only focus on bad women). He has become totally blind to the countless examples of men who channel their primal masculinity into positive endeavors and who don't behave like thugs or criminals. Outcast therefore erroneously concludes that primal masculinity is inherently bad and leads to thuggery and then zealously promotes pussified beta masculinity as the only "moral" option while arbitrarily asserting that any woman who is attracted to primally masculine qualities and who isn't attracted to his own idealized version of beta masculinity is necessarily a "degenerate".

But the truth is that plenty of normal women are attracted to primally masculine qualities when those are manifested in positive ways. Most women love a guy who works out, has a chiseled masculine physique, displays dominant masculine behavior, and has primally masculine hobbies. That stuff turns them on at a deep primal level. It is engrained into their survival instinct. This is why I urge men to reawaken and cultivate their own primally masculine qualities if they want to attract women (in addition to learning social skills and how to talk to women). It will make them more attractive than the average beta. Let's be honest: many betas are just straight up pussies and lack masculinity. I can totally understand why women are not attracted to them or find them sexually boring. I see such betas as incomplete men. They haven't cultivated their latent primally masculine qualities which are a normal part of masculinity but then become resentful that women don't like them and want to blame women for their own deficiencies.

You're right about how lifestyle changes have an effect on testosterone. Working out always made me more sexually aggressive. MMA training also reconnected me with my own primal masculinity and allowed me to develop a much more dominant side as though it rewired me brain. Outcast doesn't believe that somebody could ever go from being an autistic incel to being primally masculine and sexually dominant with women because that doesn't conform to how he assumes that an autistic male should behave and so he assumes that I must be lying or exaggerating or putting on a persona, but I've experienced for myself how immersing myself in the hypermasculine world of MMA/combat sports radically changed my personality in the course of a few years and brought out qualities in me that I never knew I had. I did cultivate my primal masculinity and began to do better with Latinas as a result but that didn't turn me into a thug or a criminal or an obnoxious frat boy. A real man harmonizes primal masculinity with discipline and constructive pursuits. Low IQ morons think that beating people up in the street or abusing women make them masculine. Yes, many normal women love primally masculine men with discipline and empathic traits but wouldn't want to be with a thug or abuser. Women who are attracted to primal masculinity in its constructive forms are not the same as hybristophilic women who love gangstas.

Being a complete degenerate seems tiresome to me. There are plenty of white men, too, who live that sort of r-selected lifestyle, men like Marlon Brando who slept with hundreds if not thousands and left dozens of children. When he died, however, his personal life was an absolute mess and he died alone, obese and miserable. Degeneracy tends to catch up to a man sooner or later. But some people are wired differently, that is also true. I have, within my biological heritage, some ancestors with strong r-selected tendencies; I have, in fact, many half-siblings I never met. And my maternal grandfather had 32 uncles and aunties. I realize for a white European male this is somewhat unusual, but all it takes is a few total Chads in your family tree and some of your genes will be somewhat out of wack.

I think that pure k-selection is rare. Most people are mixed to some degree and even many predominantly k-selected men have some r-selected tendencies. I mentioned in a previous post that the secondary r-selected tendencies might have persisted because they are conducive to the insurance of genetic survival in the event that one's few k-selected children don't survive.

Due to the prevalence of mixed selection, plenty of relatively normal guys sleep with multiple women and even engage in infidelity. The majority of those men are not violent gangbangers or criminals and mostly live as productive members of society. You yourself are testimony of that. Outcast always looks at the extreme cases and then draws conclusions from those. He doesn't seem to understand that there are levels to this.

Many mixed guys are promiscuous and cheat on their wives/girlfriends but most of them aren't out killing people or committing senseless crimes. @CaptainSkelebob for example strikes me as largely amoral and brags about bending the rules to get ahead in life, but I think that even most people like him would draw the line at things like murder.

Those who are willing to murder others for personal gain and are suited to the gangbanger lifestyle have problems that go way beyond simple r-selection and a decreased level of conscientiousness. They are naturally seriously sociopathic/psychopathic or their own sociopathic tendencies have been greatly magnified by the extreme environment of the ghettos.

It’s okay to work out and stay in shape but that doesn’t mean one has to act primal. My dad went to the gym like 2-3 times a week most of his adult life but he doesn’t have any primal masculinity at all. I don’t ever see him acting dominant or aggressive.

Most criminals aren’t necessarily gangbangers. Murder is the least common kind of crime. Rape is much more common, so is assault. Petty criminals may simply be in the habit of vandalizing and shoplifting. There are different degrees of criminality.

Very few criminals in Florida are murderers but assault is extremely common. From what I’ve read the UK is similar. London has a horrifically high level of violent crime despite having a low homicide rate.

Sociopaths are almost exclusively r-selected though. There are studies showing that they father 2.4x more children now then normal men do. Think about the implications of sociopaths being 2.4x more successful at breeding then normal men are. If sociopaths were originally 1% of the population, then after three generations they can potentially become 10%-15% of the population.

Why do you think sociopathic tendencies seem to have become a lot more common?

Sociopaths cannot pair bond, they are literally incapable of romantic connections. They spread their genes through short term sex with multiple partners.