the lie that 'asian women don't like beards''they like fem guys'

[willymonfrete]

biggest lie ever.those that do are a vocal minority.

get much more action on asian dating sites with bearded pics than shaven like 5X more matches.And it's well known that indian and south asian women also see men that are clean shaven as incels and they also prefer hypermanly men.they do not respect fem guys or prettyboys and they also LUST after manly guys with beards and tans.

its also a lie that they prefer pale skin,many indians told me they prefer lightskin but tan with dark hair not pale,this is their ideal Chadpreet.

the only desi I asked about it also said she hated pale skin and only liked tan to dark skin guys,and she prefered levantine coloring in her words(she visited mecca and said they were attractive and perfect to her particularly lebanese and syrians).

and she used to make fun of blonde guys and say they need to grow a beard and dye it black to look masculine(not my opinion but I'm just trying to show that these stereotypes against women of color are deluded).

[willymonfrete]

in a couple of hours I got 5 x more matches than what I get in a DAY with clean shaven pics.

[WanderingProtagonist]

biggest lie ever.those that do are a vocal minority.

get much more action on asian dating sites with bearded pics than shaven like 5X more matches.And it's well known that indian and south asian women also see men that are clean shaven as incels and they also prefer hypermanly men.they do not respect fem guys or prettyboys and they also LUST after manly guys with beards and tans.

its also a lie that they prefer pale skin,many indians told me they prefer lightskin but tan with dark hair not pale,this is their ideal Chadpreet.

the only desi I asked about it also said she hated pale skin and only liked tan to dark skin guys,and she prefered levantine coloring in her words(she visited mecca and said they were attractive and perfect to her particularly lebanese and syrians).

and she used to make fun of blonde guys and say they need to grow a beard and dye it black to look masculine(not my opinion but I'm just trying to show that these stereotypes against women of color are deluded).

So they have a skin color fetish, that tells me all I need to know about such women. Pass.

[castlebasetone]

Glad this is being addressed.

Speaking for asian women in USA, I see ALOT of younger cute hipster asian girls going for pretty-boy guys with good facial bone structure but no facial hair - and the more mature ladies going for more manly older men. They definitely like dark skin because they are ALL OVER hairy indian guys in NYC, black guys as well, moreso than white guys nowadays, it's to the point of rediculousness since after BLM and covid. Nobody believes me when I tell them this, but it only takes one walk down the street to notice it everywhere.

I'm heading overseas soon with my beard on so will post an update later....

[Outcast9428]

The whole "Asian girls all dig nerdy, clean-cut white dudes" stereotype doesn't quite hold up nowadays anymore.

You guys are obsessed with trying to prove that this stereotype isn’t true yet those kind of guys are the only ones I ever see Asian girls dating. Even in Florida it seemed to be those kind of guys I saw the Asian girls with. I have never met an Asian girl who wasn’t dating a nerdy, clean cut guy. Even the most Westernized Asian girls I’ve met still date nerdy, clean cut guys. There’s something different in the DNA.

I’ve even had multiple Asian girls outright tell me they find nerdy guys to be really sexy because they love their intelligence. And I doubt they were just saying that to make me happy cause all of them were actually dating nerdy guys. My girlfriend also says she finds my nerdiness cute.

Race and culture make a huge difference in what both men and women are attracted to. Girls are attracted to guys that they respect and the culture has a significant influence on what kind of guys are considered respectable.

[Outcast9428]

One of the biggest reasons why I love the Asian race is because they are so troublesome to the agendas of both the left and to the agenda of the right-leaning liberals.

They are troublesome to the left because their whole "shtick" is basically "minorities and women are oppressed! The white man is evil, sexist, and racist and needs to oppress minorities in order to succeed!" They also want to act like all minorities hate White people and need to come together to essentially overthrow Whites but too many Asians (and Hispanics) like White people and have no problem with them. The left acts like crime statistics about Blacks are made up and that its just White people oppressing them. But Asians prove that its not their race or skin color that's holding back the other minorities in America, its their behavior. Because of this, the left literally discriminates against Asians even more then they discriminate against Whites because they need them to stop succeeding so much in order to further their anti-White agenda.

The left is stuck in a very hard position of having to pretend to be pro-Asian while doing everything in their power to undermine their success in America.

Right-leaning liberals meanwhile, find Asians troublesome because right-leaning liberals are obsessed with trying to prove to guys that "you'll never get p***y if you're a nice guy. Girls hate nice, nerdy guys, if you don't want to be lonely for the rest of your life you need to become a bad boy like me." Right-leaning liberals seem to relish the romantic suffering of good, decent men just as much as the feminists do. And Asian girls are troublesome for them because they overwhelmingly actually do like nice guys and they don't mind dating guys who are nerdy or retain the old fashioned notions of chivalry and gentleness towards women.

I consider right-leaning liberals, in many ways, to be more of a threat to the right then the left is. Because the right-leaning liberals are obsessed with trying to redefine conservatism entirely. They want to define conservatism as simply being "anti-left" and that's it. So that they can be promiscuous, engage in BDSM acts, promote an atmosphere where sexual harassment and assault becomes more and more normalized, and essentially promote moral degeneracy of many forms while claiming to be part of the conservative movement (because conservatism is really all about individual freedom!). Individual right-leaning liberals may not necessarily support every one of those things, but they will support at least one of the things I mentioned in that list, some of them support all of them.

The right-leaning liberals are also, perhaps much more successfully, trying to define masculinity in their own image as well. They want to promote the idea that masculinity requires being promiscuous, aggressive, cold, "doesn't give a shit about women," and in many ways, is a little bit thuggish. Its basically the frat boy mentality in a nutshell. And then, in combination with their attempts to take over the right-wing as well as define masculinity in their own image. They do this so they can deflect criticism from actual conservatives over their behavior and say "you're just like a leftist/feminist, you hate masculinity! You must tolerate my degeneracy and immoral behavior or else you're a sexual marxist who hates masculinity!"

Asians blow that entire agenda out of the water by observing conservative norms much more strictly and authentically then pretty much anyone else in the world. Even the Arabs don't really practice conservatism as authentically as Asian countries do because the Arabs allow polygamy and so many Arab men, when they aren't being restricted by their cultural norms anymore, go absolutely bonkers in Western countries. Asians on the other hand, are nowhere near as influenced by the degeneracy of their environment as everybody else is. They are naturally more resistant to it.

And Asian civilization flies in the face of everything that the right-leaning liberals are trying to corrupt the modern right-wing with. Asian societies are explicitly anti-degeneracy and there's basically no tolerance for "bad boy" types in Asia. If they get girls at all, they get the girls that no one else wants.

[Tsar]

Facial hair on a guy is a personal preference of girls. Asian girls can like facial hair on a guy because many samurai, Sengoku warlords, and even modern guys will be liked have it.

I don't really think that people can say a certain group of girls don't like facial hair. It's more of a personal preference and it also needs to work with a guy.

@MarcosZeitola I think most Asian girls would like this guy.


Facial hair in general isn't popular in America.

I think it might be accurate to say that Asian girls often date guys without facial hair but that doesn't mean that Asian girls would say no to a guy with facial hair.

Correlation in this situation doesn't indicate causation.

[Tsar]

I think that most girls anywhere want a guy capable of protecting them or a guy who has the traits they like in a guy. Asian girls also like samurai warriors and ninja. There's no preference for nerds. Nerds haven't existed as a thing until recently and if nerds were popular then girls would be throwing themselves at guys. Japan and South Korea have declining birth rates and their own relationship issues.

I think it's that Asian girls place more value on intelligence or respect or getting treated right more often. They might also be more okay with introverts or guys not as good with social skills. But that doesn't mean there's a preference for nerds.

Social labels like nerd is really a put down meant to humiliate guys and consider them lower class. It was like a previous generation's equivalent of the modern Incel. It was also probably something that developed in the US as a way to create social hierarchies because America is more of a place with cliques.

No, I don't see any reason why Asian girls would have a preference for nerds.

Maybe Asian girls choose nerdy guys because they have other factors they like, but simply being a nerd isn't really anything.

Bands aren't nerds. Samurai aren't nerds. There's many guys who aren't nerds who Asian girls like just as much.

There's traits and then there's an arbitrary social category. Girls are attracted to traits, not an arbitrary social category.

[Lucas88]

A lot of nerds are kinda dumb too. Just because they're into video games or obsess over a certain genre of movies or fantasy stuff doesn't make them automatically smart lol. I know plenty of smart dudes who are into football, beer and chicks... yet can also hold their own in a political debate or a conversation about how the economy is doing or shifting cultural values.

I wholly agree with this observation.

From reading Outcast's comments during my time on this forum, I'm under the impression that in his mind he creates an artificial dichotomy between masculine jock/bad boy types and intelligent nerdy types, but that same artificial dichotomy only really works to some degree with US highschool subcultures and is by no means representative of the real world which has a much greater level of complexity and variation.

In reality, there are many masculine athletic types who are also extremely smart and well-spoken as well as plenty of nerds who are not really that intelligent at all and simply obsess over immature fandoms. I myself am naturally intellectual, well-versed in philosophy and dedicated to my creative projects, but I've also developed my athleticism from a young age and reached a certain level of proficiency in various martial arts/combat sports. I have a strong warrior mindset. I know other guys with whom I've practiced MMA and they also have their own intellectual interests too. Some have advanced degrees and can hold their own in a philosophical or political debate. Conversely, I know nerds who have quite shallow intellect.

As for the archetypal nerdy guy who emphasizes his developed intelligence but is socially awkward and unathletic/unmasculine, I am of the view that that type of man is an incomplete form of man. He likes to believe that he can get by on his intelligence alone and that his intelligence makes him superior to others - many smart nerds have a major superiority complex which serves to turn others against them -, and he is unwilling to develop other valuable qualities such as physique, athleticism and masculinity and might even look down on those who do ("Those guys are dumb jocks", etc.). But I think that the joke is on him. The men who cultivate both intellectual and athletic virtue are more complete forms of men. They are essentially more well-balanced than the archetypal nerd and certainly more attractive to most women. Yet the archetypal nerd remains confused as to why women don't want to date him and often wishes to blame others rather than acknowledging his own limitations.

I myself set the Renaissance man as my own personal ideal. A complete man should be intelligent and erudite, physically developed and athletic, in possession of martial virtue, and well-versed in the arts. Forget about being just a dumb musclehead or a whimpy little smart nerd. I wanna be the whole package, a truly complete and well-rounded aristocratic man.

As for Asian men, I too have entertained the idea that Asians might be a naturally nerdier race, but now I think that their nerdier nature is simply the result of more recent social engineering throughout Asian societies since previous generations of Asian men were just as warlike and hypermasculine as Europeans and other races of men. Just take a precursory look at Asian history. You have Asian peoples like the Mongols, the original Turks of Asia, bloodthirsty warring dynasties in China, and of course the mighty Samurai of Japan who repelled the Mongols. Asian men aren't naturally nerdy or unmasculine as some people assume; they can be as violent, aggressive and primally masculine as any other race. The beta nerd stereotype is simply the result of recent cultural developments.

The only Asian country that I've experienced is Japan. In Japan plenty of non-nerdy men absolutely kill it with the ladies. That includes both Japanese men (those who haven't been cucked by Japan's herbivore incel culture) and gaijin men from the likes of Europe and America. Korean men are actually popular among Japanese women (even before the faggy femboy Kpop trend). Japanese women have told me that many of them like Korean men because (old-school) Korean men are generally manlier and more assertive than Japanese men. I know this to be true. I met quite a few zainichi Korean men in Japan and they were noticeably manlier than most of the Japanese guys. Plenty of Japanese women love masculine men, not anime nerds. These are just observations of mine after more than a year of living in Japan and learning Japanese to a relatively high level.

[Lucas88]

I also don't understand why Korean men would even bother with Japanese women when Korean women look exactly like them. The only Asians that don't look close to Japanese women are Vietnamese, Filipina's, Cambodians, Chinese, Thais, Indonesians, but Koreans resemble them way too much.

Korean and Japanese women do indeed look similar but they are very different in terms of character. Korean women tend to be much more aggressive than Japanese women and majorly bust their men's balls while Japanese women tend to be more submissive at least outwardly. Some Korean men can't stand their own women and their ball-busting ways. They therefore choose to go with a Japanese woman instead. Moreover, many Koreans move to Japan for work. There are many of them living there and they tend to integrate into Japanese society quite well and pick up the language really quickly since Korean is typologically similar to Japanese and shares a great deal of vocabulary. Those well-integrated Korean men are considered attractive by a subset of Japanese women and this image of Korean men as studs is reinforced through Korean dramas with handsome actors which are extremely popular in Japan. The Korean men there simply take advantage of their perceived attractiveness and date the women of the host country.

I feel if Japanese women want dominant men so bad, why don't they just leave Japan and move to some country where the men are running things. Or are they like white women, trying to flood Japan full of people from elsewhere to take over and eliminate them from existence while the poor Japanese men stand by and do nothing but watch their nation become less Japanese. If that's the case, then that's some really sad shit.

Most Japanese people find international communication awkward and don't know how to act around foreigners, yet alone leave Japan and move to another country. They really are a peculiar case.

When I was in Japan in the late 2000s and then once again in the early 2010s, I found most Japanese people to be quite insular and noted how most of them only had friendships or relationships with other Japanese people. They struck me as quite resistant to any kind of assimilation with other ethnicities. But that was more than 10 years ago. I don't know how things are today. Most of Japan is quite ethnically homogenous but certain cities like Nagoya have a lot of non-Asian immigrants from countries like Brazil, Iran and Turkey. I know that some Japanese women marry men from those countries but I think that it's still relatively rare. The immigrants are pouring in but there still isn't that much intermarriage. At least that's the perception which I had back in the late 2000s and early 2010s.

They have their own military force, at least one that can defend their country. Japan would be toast if they got attacked without the U.S. providing support because they allowed America to dominate them after they lost. Some articles had claimed Japan's lack of military power is why the men ended up the way they did. You're depending on one of the worse regime's in history, a narcissistic arrogant ass regime claiming to be the greatest nation in the world that bullies, picks fights, and believe it's the police of the entire world to protect you from threats. If Japan never had of lost WWII and still had a standing military force, then there would be something there to at least inspire the men, but instead they get more and more nerdy stuff, plus cuckoldry NRT shit thrown in their faces that never benefited them in the slightest. The Japanese government is also to blame because they do absolutely nothing to inspire their men.

I actually befriended a former soldier when I was in Japan for the second time and he told me that the military profession is not seen in a good light and that he often hid his military status from people due to the stigma associated with it. He explained that in Japan everything militaristic and warlike is seen as bad since many Japanese people blame their own country for the war while most Japanese are naïve about national defense and think that the country can depend on the US' protection forever. The guy seemed to really enjoy talking to me though. He could see how enthusiastic I was about guns and the warrior ethos and knew that he could talk to me about his experiences without being judged.

Japan once had Bushido and Samurai culture but now all it has is nerd culture, anime, the cringiest pop culture ever and boys/men dressing up as schoolgirls (no kidding, I often saw guys in the streets dressed up in skirts and schoolgirl uniforms).

[WanderingProtagonist]

I also don't understand why Korean men would even bother with Japanese women when Korean women look exactly like them. The only Asians that don't look close to Japanese women are Vietnamese, Filipina's, Cambodians, Chinese, Thais, Indonesians, but Koreans resemble them way too much.

Korean and Japanese women do indeed look similar but they are very different in terms of character. Korean women tend to be much more aggressive than Japanese women and majorly bust their men's balls while Japanese women tend to be more submissive at least outwardly. Some Korean men can't stand their own women and their ball-busting ways. They therefore choose to go with a Japanese woman instead. Moreover, many Koreans move to Japan for work. There are many of them living there and they tend to integrate into Japanese society quite well and pick up the language really quickly since Korean is typologically similar to Japanese and shares a great deal of vocabulary. Those well-integrated Korean men are considered attractive by a subset of Japanese women and this image of Korean men as studs is reinforced through Korean dramas with handsome actors which are extremely popular in Japan. The Korean men there simply take advantage of their perceived attractiveness and date the women of the host country.

I feel if Japanese women want dominant men so bad, why don't they just leave Japan and move to some country where the men are running things. Or are they like white women, trying to flood Japan full of people from elsewhere to take over and eliminate them from existence while the poor Japanese men stand by and do nothing but watch their nation become less Japanese. If that's the case, then that's some really sad shit.

Most Japanese people find international communication awkward and don't know how to act around foreigners, yet alone leave Japan and move to another country. They really are a peculiar case.

When I was in Japan in the late 2000s and then once again in the early 2010s, I found most Japanese people to be quite insular and noted how most of them only had friendships or relationships with other Japanese people. They struck me as quite resistant to any kind of assimilation with other ethnicities. But that was more than 10 years ago. I don't know how things are today. Most of Japan is quite ethnically homogenous but certain cities like Nagoya have a lot of non-Asian immigrants from countries like Brazil, Iran and Turkey. I know that some Japanese women marry men from those countries but I think that it's still relatively rare. The immigrants are pouring in but there still isn't that much intermarriage. At least that's the perception which I had back in the late 2000s and early 2010s.

They have their own military force, at least one that can defend their country. Japan would be toast if they got attacked without the U.S. providing support because they allowed America to dominate them after they lost. Some articles had claimed Japan's lack of military power is why the men ended up the way they did. You're depending on one of the worse regime's in history, a narcissistic arrogant ass regime claiming to be the greatest nation in the world that bullies, picks fights, and believe it's the police of the entire world to protect you from threats. If Japan never had of lost WWII and still had a standing military force, then there would be something there to at least inspire the men, but instead they get more and more nerdy stuff, plus cuckoldry NRT shit thrown in their faces that never benefited them in the slightest. The Japanese government is also to blame because they do absolutely nothing to inspire their men.

I actually befriended a former soldier when I was in Japan for the second time and he told me that the military profession is not seen in a good light and that he often hid his military status from people due to the stigma associated with it. He explained that in Japan everything militaristic and warlike is seen as bad since many Japanese people blame their own country for the war while most Japanese are naïve about national defense and think that the country can depend on the US' protection forever. The guy seemed to really enjoy talking to me though. He could see how enthusiastic I was about guns and the warrior ethos and knew that he could talk to me about his experiences without being judged.

Japan once had Bushido and Samurai culture but now all it has is nerd culture, anime, the cringiest pop culture ever and boys/men dressing up as schoolgirls (no kidding, I often saw guys in the streets dressed up in skirts and schoolgirl uniforms).

I thought I deleted that post because it was way too long and I couldn't figure out how to make it shorter so I killed the post. lol you must've saved it just in case hahahaha. Well that last part you mentioned about the Bushido and Samurai could have helped and done them some good if they didn't have that mindset. War is bad in a sense that a lot of people get killed including innocent people caught in the middle of it so I can see why they would hate war. I personally think it's not a bad thing that some nations aren't mixing a lot of people in together and making themselves look less nationalistic. Despite Korean men taking over Japan (which is quite sad) it would be even worse if it were Western men taking over, or Africans.

At least if the Korean males were to have kids with the women, the kids will still look like Japanese people with Korean but you won't be able to tell much of a difference. But Negros moving in and breeding with the women sound like shit and a horror story to me I'd rather not even hear about them in Japan at all period. Part of the reason I can't even stand blacks especially the men is because they get their asses kissed so much by weird self hating whites until it's like they get off on the very idea of black men taking over the world and erasing everyone's genes. f***ing weirdos.

I personally believe the Japanese gov had a hand in killing their own society. That men dressing up as girls part and what not reminds me of Newhalfs is what they are called, Japanese transgenders but the word is still used even on the ones crossdressing vs the ones who have breast, etc. It's like someone once said "Japan is spiritually broken, and they're never recovering from it." I myself have never personally lived over there, but it's highly overrated because of anime/nerd culture. Economically they may survive, and even if things go really bad at least they won't have riots and crime in the street. Once America collapse you're going to have 2020 again but cranked up to the max because everyone is going to be out in the street rioting, murdering, and pillaging what they can find and get. I doubt this same outcome will happen in Japan even if they become desperate. But you never know how people might react once half of the population is starving, desperate, and angry at the ones that caused them the disaster in the first place. America is a scary place to be right now because we have shitty people running the country and desperately destroying it.

[Outcast9428]

@MarcosZeitola Oh yeah I'm sure the dude you posted would do fine. I wasn't really remarking on the "facial hair" part. I was referring to the fact that you guys keep trying to say that Asian girls don't have a strong preference for guys who have clean cut lifestyles. But when do you ever see Asian girls dating guys like this...





When you said a guy can look like a bad boy. Personally I've never seen that. I've never seen an Asian girl going out with a guy who had tattoos. I suppose because I am not living in an Asian country, I have a smaller sample size to choose from. But I've seen plenty of Asian girls walking around with their boyfriends and I tend to notice its a guy who looks nerdy, boy next door-like, or is significantly older then her... I've also seen what kind of guys the Asian girls I have known all my life were into and the vast majority of the time they seem to be guys with a really gentle and wholesome demeanor to them of some kind.

You seem to be very fixated on each group's hobbies as a way to define them. Nerds like video games, anime, and DnD, jocks like football, beer and chicks. I'm not really looking at it that way. A nerd can easily be into football. "Nerdy" is more about being super-analytical, obsessed with the specific details of their favorite subjects that they tend to research to a tremendous degree, and yes, its definitely related to being intelligent. There are terms for example, history nerds, political nerds, even gun nerds, and yes, there is such a thing as a sports nerd as well. Being nerdy is associated with video games, DnD, and Magic the Gathering type stuff because these hobbies are not really mainstream and tend to require a lot of analysis.

Being athletic or liking sports doesn't make somebody a frat boy. I don't think a jock is necessarily the same thing as being a frat boy. There is definitely overlap in that a lot of frat boys are jocks, but not all jocks are frat boys. Being a frat boy kind of guy is more of a mentality/lifestyle. And in my experience, frat boys are just rich boy versions of hood thugs. The similarities between their behavior and the behavior of street gangs is remarkable...

- They both are very big about "hazing" rituals.
- They both tend to have rivalries with other gangs/fraternities that escalate to violent situations.
- They both have serious substance abuse problems.
- They both have a huge "snitches get stitches" kind of attitude.
- They both act incredibly cruel towards their own members despite claiming to be in a kind of brotherhood.
- They are both have strong rapist-like tendencies and a lot of their success with women comes from the fact that they tend to sort of force women to have sex with them.
- They are both obsessed with the idea that fighting other men, winning pointless battles with other men, and sleeping with as many women as possible is what validates you as a man.
- They are both lawbreakers.
- They both command a lot of unwarranted respect from their surrounding communities, simply because they are the dispensers of entertainment. On college campuses, fraternities control access to the parties and alcohol. Without them, there are no parties, so they get away with an incredible amount of immoral conduct because if the frats get shut down, all the parties get shutdown too. The same thing kind of applies to drug gangs.

The only real difference is that frat boys are not as extreme about all these tendencies as hood thugs are. Frat boys will punch each other, but they won't gun each other down in the streets. They may grind on a random girl at a party without asking, but they won't grab a girl, take her into an alleyway and rape her.

@Lucas88

What you are describing is more the result of the fact that the adult world, the work world, doesn't really tolerate the behavior of frat boy type guys nearly as much as the school environment does. In the work world, you gain respect through your ability to get shit done. The work world values people who show up to work every day, show up on time, get shit done when they are at work, and don't cause any problems. Nerds tend to be very good at this. Frat boys really struggle with this. So the work world doesn't value them nearly as much. The school environment, on the other hand, doesn't care about merit. Its all about popularity and "being cool" essentially. Basically, who can provide the most entertainment and excitement. Frat boys tend to be very good at this because they don't care about the consequences of their actions.

This is why a lot of people say that nerds tend to do better with women as they get older because, after college, they enter a world that values their skills and contributions a lot more so they gain more respect from everybody. The school environment, ironically, doesn't really respect them at all because kids in modern schools absolutely hate school and view it, in many ways, as an oppressive prison they are forced to go to every day. So people who are smart and do well in school are disliked by their peers. Nerds end up also viewing school as a prison world, but mainly because they hate the people they go to school with, not because the work is hard.

And yet I hear all the time from PUAs complaining about how their tactics don't work in Asian countries. Look at Winston's complaints about Taiwan... I've heard countless PUAs go on similar rants about Asian countries. That's because what PUAs refer to as "beta male" behaviors do work really well on Asian girls. Being really sweet and romantic towards them actually does make them like you more. Some girls of other races are like that too, but with Asian girls, it is overwhelmingly true whereas with other girls it does seem to be a more specific minority of them.

My girlfriend specifically told me that the reason she's so attracted to me is because of how sweet and caring I was towards her. I actually don't think my looks initially attracted her. But my behavior was so attractive to her that my looks became attractive. Mercer thinks she has White boy fever but I don't get that impression at all. My ex-girlfriend definitely had White boy fever, but this girl, I really doubt it.

So you have to use examples from 1,000 years ago to show that Asians are just as aggressive as everybody else is? You might as well use the Vikings to make the case for Swedish people being super-aggressive warrior-like people. I mean, from about 1660 to 1860, Japan was not involved in a single military conflict, foreign or domestic. I struggle to think of any other country that can say the same thing. This era of Japanese history is truly incredible and speaks to the Asian spirit because basically nothing changed. From 1660 to 1860, nothing changed in Japan at all. That's why I keep saying that conservatism is deeply rooted in the Asian psyche.

[Lucas88]

What you are describing is more the result of the fact that the adult world, the work world, doesn't really tolerate the behavior of frat boy type guys nearly as much as the school environment does. In the work world, you gain respect through your ability to get shit done. The work world values people who show up to work every day, show up on time, get shit done when they are at work, and don't cause any problems. Nerds tend to be very good at this. Frat boys really struggle with this. So the work world doesn't value them nearly as much. The school environment, on the other hand, doesn't care about merit. Its all about popularity and "being cool" essentially. Basically, who can provide the most entertainment and excitement. Frat boys tend to be very good at this because they don't care about the consequences of their actions.

No, I'm saying that the whole dichotomy is simplistic and flawed and doesn't reflect reality outside of US high school tropes and such because most people don't exclusively fit into one of the two extremes of jock/frat boy vs. nerd and instead have different combinations of attributes pertaining to intelligence, athleticism, etc. That's why you can find college athletes and even college athlete frat boys who also have intelligence and obtain advanced degrees. Not all frat boys are dumb. Some of them just like to party and behave as they do in college because they know that they can get away with it but at the same time are quite capable of applying their intelligence and maintaining some level of discipline when they really need to do so. That's why those people are able to graduate and then hold down good jobs after college even after four years of recklessly abusing their livers and other vital organs. The idea that only nerds are good at work and that jocks/frat boys end up as losers isn't true. Jocks/frat boys tend to have good social skills and some of them are indeed intelligent when it comes to practical things, so many of those people able to do quite well at companies even if they have to tone down their party lifestyle. Nerds like to believe that their own group has a monopoly on intelligence and reliability, but I think that they are just deluding themselves in order to feed their egos.

The school environment, ironically, doesn't really respect them at all because kids in modern schools absolutely hate school and view it, in many ways, as an oppressive prison they are forced to go to every day. So people who are smart and do well in school are disliked by their peers. Nerds end up also viewing school as a prison world, but mainly because they hate the people they go to school with, not because the work is hard.

Smart nerds in school aren't disliked or bullied simply because they are smart; they're disliked or bullied for various other reasons:

• Most of them are weak, unathletic and also pussies and so they aren't really respected by other males and are an easy target for bullies (most bullies are opportunists who target the weak in order to feel "tough")

• Many smart nerds are actually smartasses who have a superiority complex in light of their own intelligence and even look down on others whom they deem less intelligent (in most cases they are probably overcompensating for their lack of social skills, athleticism and attractiveness but their superiority complex just rubs a lot of people up the wrong way and makes others hostile to them)

• Many obsess over obscure fandoms that just bore most people and don't make for relatable conversation

I've always had some "nerdy" interests like philosophy, history and linguistics and even some totally obscure ones like the occult but while in high school and college during the 2000s I never gravitated too much towards the nerd groups and actually came to dislike them for their thinly veiled superiority complexes and their sperglord level of obsession with nerd fandoms which were really just as lowbrow as the normie stuff that those nerds incessantly mocked.

I was never bullied in the later years of secondary school or sixth form college despite being socially awkward, on the spectrum and having certain obscure interests because by then I had already begun weightlifting and martial arts training and very few people wanted to mess with me because they knew that I'd fcuk them up! The girls were still cruel towards me from time to time because they knew that a guy would never hit them but none of the guys ever dared to say shit to me.

So you have to use examples from 1,000 years ago to show that Asians are just as aggressive as everybody else is? You might as well use the Vikings to make the case for Swedish people being super-aggressive warrior-like people. I mean, from about 1660 to 1860, Japan was not involved in a single military conflict, foreign or domestic. I struggle to think of any other country that can say the same thing. This era of Japanese history is truly incredible and speaks to the Asian spirit because basically nothing changed. From 1660 to 1860, nothing changed in Japan at all. That's why I keep saying that conservatism is deeply rooted in the Asian psyche.

Asians can be just as aggressive and violent as everyone else as history has shown. How long ago that violence took place is irrelevant, although there are certainly much more recent instances of Asian violence and warlikeness. The idea that Asian men are naturally nerdy betas isn't true and is simply a modern development which has taken form in the effeminate Asian nations of the 20th century. Asian men were originally way more baddass than what modern Western stereotypes give them credit for. They weren't always effeminate pansies like most of the modern Japanese. The Japanese invented Bushido and the original Kodai martial arts before they were watered down during the Meiji era ffs! Even Winston who looks like a Chinese teddybear could be a baddass if he lifted some weights and did some MMA training!

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@Lucas88

Asians can be just as aggressive and violent as everyone else as history has shown. How long ago that violence took place is irrelevant, although there are certainly much more recent instances of Asian violence and warlikeness. The idea that Asian men are naturally nerdy betas isn't true and is simply a modern development which has taken form in the effeminate Asian nations of the 20th century. Asian men were originally way more baddass than what modern Western stereotypes give them credit for. They weren't always effeminate pansies like most of the modern Japanese. The Japanese invented Bushido and the original Kodai martial arts before they were watered down during the Meiji era ffs! Even Winston who looks like a Chinese teddybear could be a baddass if he lifted some weights and did some MMA training!
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The thing about Asians is that they have no interest in sports like football but they will do martial arts and play baseball, or even basketball. Some of them will be into drag racing but aside from that. I've seen Asian females with men that have tattoos plenty of times, and I even knew some Asian girls that spit out on the ground too.

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@Lucas88

How long ago it happened is very relevant to the conversation because human beings have biologically/genetically changed a lot in the past 1,000 years. Consider that in the 10th century AD, the average White IQ was only 80. The average White person back then was about as intelligent as the people in Afghanistan are today. Biological/genetic change happens much faster then people believe it does. Yes it takes hundreds of thousands of years for humans to evolve into a completely different species, but it doesn't take anywhere near as long for humans to change, on a biological level, quite substantially. As part of a completely natural process as well, not just because of artificial ingredients.

Yes, many people are a mixture of intellectual/athletic. I said in my post that frat boys are not the same thing as jocks. I'm not using frat boys as a synonym for anybody who is athletic. Plenty of athletic people have no frat boy tendencies at all. I am specifically mentioning people who joined fraternities, because those organizations instill a certain mindset in the people who join them. They are hyperconformist and if you do not obey their every instruction, you will not be able to join.

I don't feel like you ever actually went to a university because if you did, you would know what I am talking about with these people. They are just rich boy thugs, and yes, they are incredibly stupid. I don't know how most of them got into university to begin with. Many of these guys end up having to drop out after a year or two because their grades are so terrible.

Who cares if they have good social skills if they laugh while beating their so called "brothers?" I've heard of people getting drugged up on cocaine and then raped, I've heard of people being left out in the middle of the forest, during the winter time and forced to find their way back to campus. I knew one guy in my hall who joined a fraternity and he came back every night with bruises all over him. One time, he had bruises leave a huge trail down his back. One frat was kicked off of campus because they were stringing their pledges up by their feet and hitting them all over their body with paddles. They also would set up these "fight clubs" and place bets on who would get the crap beaten out of them. I saw videos of fraternities having these giant brawls and basically having 100 people fighting with 100 people. My roommate went to a party where they ordered 1,000 goldfish and the competition was to see who could swallow the most goldfish. And I'm not talking about goldfish crackers, I mean actual goldfish. My roommate came back, bragging about how he killed 12 goldfish just for me (cause he knew I was vegetarian).

People keep trying to act like "oh those nerds with their superiority complex." Well I'm sorry but we have good reasons to consider ourselves superior to these kind of guys. Because we don't do shit like that. We don't bully people for no f***ing reason, we don't think to ourselves "oh this person's weak, let me hurt them." You don't see nerds getting into brawls and fist fights with other nerds. You do not see nerds having these insane hazing ceremonies that literally require legal intervention in many cases. You don't see nerds throwing beer cans at police officers. You don't see nerds committing all the sexual assaults and rapes that frat boys do (and don't try to pretend that this is an untrue stereotype. Studies show that frat boys are only 10% of college students but commit 30% of the rapes).

People say that nerds don't have "social skills," yet we seem remarkably good at maintaining our relationships with one another and treating each other well whereas normies are constantly backstabbing one another, treating one another like shit, and have these incredibly superficial and fake relationships. That's why they cycle through friends and relationships so much is because they are incredibly selfish and only think of themselves.

When people say we don't have social skills, what they really mean is we don't bother with the bullshit games that normies play with one another. We have this incredibly innovative concept called, be friends with one another because you like being friends and get along well and try to support and uplift your friends rather then looking at them as a tool to get ahead in the game.