Christianity vs Atheism vs Spirituality

[CaptainSkelebob]

Eh?.... Looked into other religions?
Why would I waste my time reading about sky fairies and beardy men sitting on clouds??? I thought we grew out of this shite centuries ago.....
Well I guess you can lead a twit to water but you can't teach it to think....
Bunch of delusional loonies calling men of science unevolved apes.... that's rich....
Profess me this: scientific research is based on things we can observe this is why I told you ppl that if we removed all human knowledge we would gradually rediscover lost science.
Christians and New Agers would end up worshipping some other made up rubbish like the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy
Pixel dude random theory is not the same as scientific theory. We can observe background radiation which serves as evidence to substantiate the theory of the big bang, which is far more empirical than you or any other so called enlightened spiritual being tripping there nuts off on drugs..... yeeesh

[galii]

Eh?.... Looked into other religions?
Why would I waste my time reading about sky fairies and beardy men sitting on clouds??? I thought we grew out of this shite centuries ago.....
Well I guess you can lead a twit to water but you can't teach it to think....
Bunch of delusional loonies calling men of science unevolved apes.... that's rich....
Profess me this: scientific research is based on things we can observe this is why I told you ppl that if we removed all human knowledge we would gradually rediscover lost science.
Christians and New Agers would end up worshipping some other made up rubbish like the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy
Pixel dude random theory is not the same as scientific theory. We can observe background radiation which serves as evidence to substantiate the theory of the big bang, which is far more empirical than you or any other so called enlightened spiritual being tripping there nuts off on drugs..... yeeesh

What about research into paranormal phenomenon? Near death experiences where people claim they were outside of their body after clinical death and after they were revived they could accurately recount conversations had by surgeons etc? Out of body experiences?

Then there are entheogenic plants which serve as a gateway to spirituality. Indigenous peoples use them all the time to feel close to God. And when I say God I think their God tends to be Gaia or some variation of that.

What about things like ghosts and ghost sightings? All those people druggies and liars as well? I think it is very ignorant to assume that everything started with the Big Bang and formed itself through a series of accidents. The sign of design is absolutely everywhere in nature.

You are better than that

[galii]

Eh?.... Looked into other religions?
Why would I waste my time reading about sky fairies and beardy men sitting on clouds??? I thought we grew out of this shite centuries ago.....
Well I guess you can lead a twit to water but you can't teach it to think....
Bunch of delusional loonies calling men of science unevolved apes.... that's rich....
Profess me this: scientific research is based on things we can observe this is why I told you ppl that if we removed all human knowledge we would gradually rediscover lost science.
Christians and New Agers would end up worshipping some other made up rubbish like the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy
Pixel dude random theory is not the same as scientific theory. We can observe background radiation which serves as evidence to substantiate the theory of the big bang, which is far more empirical than you or any other so called enlightened spiritual being tripping there nuts off on drugs..... yeeesh

What about research into paranormal phenomenon? Near death experiences where people claim they were outside of their body after clinical death and after they were revived they could accurately recount conversations had by surgeons etc? Out of body experiences?

Then there are entheogenic plants which serve as a gateway to spirituality. Indigenous peoples use them all the time to feel close to God. And when I say God I think their God tends to be Gaia or some variation of that.

What about things like ghosts and ghost sightings? All those people druggies and liars as well? I think it is very ignorant to assume that everything started with the Big Bang and formed itself through a series of accidents. The sign of design is absolutely everywhere in nature.

You are better than that

You atheist as well? Do you have any beliefs at all?

Yes I try to believe in my senses. That makes sense right? I try to believe in science. I also believe that everything is possible but I would rather have a proof anyway.

[galii]

What about research into paranormal phenomenon? Near death experiences where people claim they were outside of their body after clinical death and after they were revived they could accurately recount conversations had by surgeons etc? Out of body experiences?

Then there are entheogenic plants which serve as a gateway to spirituality. Indigenous peoples use them all the time to feel close to God. And when I say God I think their God tends to be Gaia or some variation of that.

What about things like ghosts and ghost sightings? All those people druggies and liars as well? I think it is very ignorant to assume that everything started with the Big Bang and formed itself through a series of accidents. The sign of design is absolutely everywhere in nature.

You are better than that

You atheist as well? Do you have any beliefs at all?

Yes I try to believe in my senses. That makes sense right? I try to believe in science. I also believe that everything is possible but I would rather have a proof anyway.

You shouldn't place 100% faith in your senses alone. Your senses can be dishonest. You should try magic mushrooms or ayahuasca to perceive reality in a different way.

I don't trust my senses 100%. That is why I said everything is possible. Actually I want to try DMT and mushrooms but it is not available where I live. I am not shure if it is that important. The guys who took it are not much happier anyway.

[galii]

You atheist as well? Do you have any beliefs at all?

Yes I try to believe in my senses. That makes sense right? I try to believe in science. I also believe that everything is possible but I would rather have a proof anyway.

You shouldn't place 100% faith in your senses alone. Your senses can be dishonest. You should try magic mushrooms or ayahuasca to perceive reality in a different way.

I don't trust my senses 100%. That is why I said everything is possible. Actually I want to try DMT and mushrooms but it is not available where I live. I am not shure if it is that important. The guys who took it are not much happier anyway.

Well, maybe not much happier overall. When I have taken them I have felt really good for around 6 months. They acted as like a negativity detox. I've read examples though where they have completely cured someone's depression and even helped with PTSD.

Even if you don't have depression I would recommend them anyway because they can change your perspective on certain things. There are some websites that deliver to certain countries, but it depends where you are living.

I am quite ok informed about the topic and I follow it. I am in a forum where that is the main topic. At the moment I do not feel the need to risk doing illegal stuff. If I go to Berlin it should be relatively easy I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ychedelics

[Cornfed]

I have a hard time actually believing in God but I do try and live somewhat of a Biblical lifestyle.

Doesn't sound much like it.

[MrMan]

Sacrifice of animals was common before the times of Jesus Christ, because as Paul said "The wages of sin are death!" People today value different things, but back then people would have valued animals for their food, clothing and financial security. So someone committing a sin would sacrifice one of their valued animals to God to atone for their sin.

There were many other types of sacrifices, but atoning for sins was one of them.

I have been wanting to respond to your post for a long time, but when I saw it, it was too long to respond at that time, and I have a few minutes now. Regarding animal sacrifice in some branches of Hinduism, I don't see that in this post, but I also wanted to respond to that. I think having animal sacrifice in some ways could open up the minds of Hindus or other people-groups to understand certain things when they encounter the Gospel, but I do not agree with their sacrificing to the spirits they sacrifice to, as opposed to the most high God who does not want to be worshipped through idolatry. The other issue is that Christ's sacrifice was for sin and accomplished what the blood of bulls and goats could not.

The reason Christians don't sacrifice animals anymore is because of the substitutional sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Both were means to the same end, which was accounting for sin. Here are 5 distinctions between the two forms of sacrifice:

1. The first important distinction is that when an animal is sacrificed it does not come back to life. It is a permanent loss. If among your flock you had an animal that could bring itself back from the dead, how meaningful would it be to sacrifice that particular animal? How would that even be a loss or a sacrifice if the animal just came back to you after you lost it?

An animal sacrificed is just an animal, though, and not the sinless Son of God, not the Word of God incarnate, not the Messiah. There was more going on than what happened with an animal sacrifice, which prefigured the death of the Messiah. Christ also conquered death.

2. The second distinction is that animal sacrifice was not retroactive like the sacrifice of Jesus. First came sin and then the sacrifice followed. This is true for everyone before the sacrifice of Jesus Christ but not after. It would be shallow and insincere to kill an animal as an insurance policy just in case you sin in the future, or preemptively performing a sacrifice today so you can sin tomorrow. The sacrifice loses its meaning when you can sin with the knowledge that a sacrifice has already been made on your behalf. With the knowledge of the sacrifice of Jesus people know their sacrifice was already made and this can become a consideration for pretty much any sin.

Except the New Testament strongly warns against sinning with such an attitude, especially the book of Hebrews, the same book that describes Christ's sacrifice as 'one sacrifice for sins forever.'

5. Finally, animals were sacrificed to atone for the sin of the person who killed them. A sacrifice must be an intentional act for it to be considered a sacrifice, yet the people who killed Jesus didn't kill him for him to be offered as a sacrifice.

Why do you get the make the rules? The animal sacrifices prefigured what Jesus did, but they are not the same in every aspect.

When someone offered an animal as a sacrifice they intended that animal to be a sacrifice for their sin, in Christianity however it was God who valued Jesus and God who intentionally offered Jesus as a sacrifice. Given what we know about sacrifice this tells us that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ was because God did something wrong and God offered a valued sacrifice to atone for God's wrongdoing. Because sacrificing Jesus would not be a logical way for humans to atone for their sin, but it would be a logical way for God to atone. Jesus never belonged to us, he belonged to God and therefore wasn't ours to sacrifice.

Again, you do not get to make the rules. The Old Testament also predicted the Messiah's death hundreds of years before it happened, for example in Isaiah 53.

[MrMan]

As for the concept of sacrifice in the context of animals and Jesus the purpose of both was to atone for sin was it not? I am not making up the rules, I am simply questioning the logic of the sacrifice of Jesus. Wasn't Jesus betrayed by Judas? This implies that maybe Jesus himself didn't intend to be sacrificed did he? And the people who murdered Jesus by nailing him to the cross did not intend to kill him as a sacrifice to atone for sin. They wanted to murder him. That was their intention. So the idea of Jesus sacrificing himself to atone for the sin of humanity does not make sense from a logical standpoint given what we know about the concept of sacrifice and its meaning.

Jesus performed many great miracles. He could have called 10,000 angels, but instead chose to fulfil the plan that had already been prophesied about Him in the Old Testament scriptures.

[Lucas88]

I don't condone animal sacrifice at all, whether it is Hindus or Old Testament Christians or some Pagans. Whoever is doing it I think it is a barbaric practice. I think it is kind of okay, I guess, if the animal is sacrificed to a deity and then is eaten by the family or something like that. At least then it didn't die to atone for some perceived sin or to appease a god which never explicitly asked for said sacrifice. It's when animals are sacrificed and then just burned as a ritual offering I just don't see the point of it. I feel like the animals were killed for nothing.

I also find animal sacrifice utterly barbaric due to my own moral conscience. I could never condone it regardless of who was doing it because I respect animal life and would never want to harm any creature unless I really had no other choice (e.g., self-defense). If some purported god or angelic being asked me to perform an animal sacrifice - whether it be through direct psychic communication or a human intermediary such as a priest or a self-styled prophet - I would simply assume that the entity demanding the animal sacrifice was some kind of evil demonic being masquerading as a god or an angel. I'd immediately run for the hills because such a despicable request reeks of diabolism. Abrahamists, whose religions include blood sacrifice, never question whether the deity whom they worship really is a benevolent god or the true creator. They take biblical assertions at face value and without skepticism. It never seems to occur to them that Yahweh could be a demonic impostor and that they could be unknowingly worshiping a malevolent being who is not really god at all. What is ironic is that Christians often accuse other religions of being demonic creations but they never stop to think that their own religion could be a demonically inspired deception and simply make all kinds of excuses for the morally questionable practices in the Old Testament.

Many Christians don't have much of a moral compass at all. They mostly employ double standards. Those Christians are like mafia goons who sell themselves to the biggest cosmic gangster in exchange for the promise of protection and some form of wealth and then just turn a blind eye to all of that supernatural mafioso's evil deeds. If a Hindu or a Canaanite sacrifices an animal to their own cosmic gangster that's an evil sin but when the Old Testament Jews do it or commit some other atrocity, then it's fine because "our cosmic gangster is bigger than yours"! Meanwhile anybody who refuses to support the Jewdeo-Christian cosmic gangster's mafia or who dares to question its practices due to their own non-criminal moral compass becomes a marked man on mafia turf.

I think that @Outcast9428 has a more developed moral conscience than the typical evangelical. He identifies as Christian (presumably because, unlike myself, he finds value and moral inspiration in the ethical teachings of Jesus) but at the same time he rightfully condemns the animal sacrifice of the Old Testament as an evil practice and, if I have understood him correctly, rejects the OT god Yahweh as a demonic impostor for his evil behavior (or at least believes that the atrocities committed in Yahweh's name are evil Jewish practices). He doesn't give the Jews a free pass either. Outcast is in a way putting into practice the hypothetical situation that I outlined in my initial paragraph. He seems to have questioned the nature of the entity who demands animal sacrifice in the OT and judged it by its fruits which in this case are particularly disturbing.

[CaptainSkelebob]

Got somethun here for you fellas!!
@Poxel--Dude and @Lucas88 who are the spiritual hippy tree hugging duo in this thread
And ofcthe god squad who consist of faghots and gayboys @MrMan @Outcast9428 @Cornfed
I would like to tag an ally to this thread who is a man of science and someone who earned my respect already!!!
Hes a dockter
Hes got a huge pair of balls!!
Hes not a delusional fool!
Hes @HouseMD fella! What you got to say to these hippy losers and the flock of mindless biblethumoer???

I got this article you fellas should read!!!
Eh...
Youll like this one
https://bgr.com/science/scientists-crea ... xperiment/
Science creates matter from nothing
Proving that god or some intelligent creator is not necessary and likely doesnt exist at all when we combine this knowledge with what we know about Big Bang and theory of evolution
You die hard basketcases can try and talk about how evolution doesnt exist but in reality you monkeys just aint experienced its effects
BWAHAHAHAHHA

[MrMan]

Got somethun here for you fellas!!
@Poxel--Dude and @Lucas88 who are the spiritual hippy tree hugging duo in this thread
And ofcthe god squad who consist of faghots and gayboys @MrMan @Outcast9428 @Cornfed

I think you are confusing us with other members of the forum. I can't speak for the other two posters, but I have never had sex with a biological male. You shouldn't be calling men gayboys or faghots.

Youll like this one
https://bgr.com/science/scientists-crea ... xperiment/
Science creates matter from nothing
Proving that god or some intelligent creator is not necessary and likely doesnt exist at all when we combine this knowledge with what we know about Big Bang and theory of evolution

How does this experiment prove anything of the sort? If nothing existed... what about the graphene needed to produce the particles? If there are quantum fields and gravity, is that really 'nothing'. Who made that?

And couldn't you find a real article--- with the author, title, maybe some key words, preferably a DOI number so we could look up the actual scientific article on Google Scholar or some other platform? I might take a look at an abstract.

Was the experiment repeated by numerous others who replicated it? If it is not, I would be concerned about their experiment getting contaminated with particles floating in. I have heard that scientists found evidence of 8 dimensions. I'd wonder also if what they were doing nudged a particle from another dimension.

And by 'dimension' I do not mean a comic book multiverse parallel world. Length, height, and width are dimensions.

[CaptainSkelebob]

Got somethun here for you fellas!!
@Poxel--Dude and @Lucas88 who are the spiritual hippy tree hugging duo in this thread
And ofcthe god squad who consist of faghots and gayboys @MrMan @Outcast9428 @Cornfed

I think you are confusing us with other members of the forum. I can't speak for the other two posters, but I have never had sex with a biological male. You shouldn't be calling men gayboys or faghots.

Youll like this one
https://bgr.com/science/scientists-crea ... xperiment/
Science creates matter from nothing
Proving that god or some intelligent creator is not necessary and likely doesnt exist at all when we combine this knowledge with what we know about Big Bang and theory of evolution

How does this experiment prove anything of the sort? If nothing existed... what about the graphene needed to produce the particles? If there are quantum fields and gravity, is that really 'nothing'. Who made that?

And couldn't you find a real article--- with the author, title, maybe some key words, preferably a DOI number so we could look up the actual scientific article on Google Scholar or some other platform? I might take a look at an abstract.

Was the experiment repeated by numerous others who replicated it? If it is not, I would be concerned about their experiment getting contaminated with particles floating in. I have heard that scientists found evidence of 8 dimensions. I'd wonder also if what they were doing nudged a particle from another dimension.

And by 'dimension' I do not mean a comic book multiverse parallel world. Length, height, and width are dimensions.

Gravity is a natural law which is dictated by mass of an object which creates its own gravitational field
It has nothing to do with a creator or anything like that
Natural laws like gravity have no need of a creator and so the universe can have been created from nothing...
There are several experiments that show matter can create itself from nothing....

[MrMan]

Got somethun here for you fellas!!
@Poxel--Dude and @Lucas88 who are the spiritual hippy tree hugging duo in this thread
And ofcthe god squad who consist of faghots and gayboys @MrMan @Outcast9428 @Cornfed

I think you are confusing us with other members of the forum. I can't speak for the other two posters, but I have never had sex with a biological male. You shouldn't be calling men gayboys or faghots.

Youll like this one
https://bgr.com/science/scientists-crea ... xperiment/
Science creates matter from nothing
Proving that god or some intelligent creator is not necessary and likely doesnt exist at all when we combine this knowledge with what we know about Big Bang and theory of evolution

How does this experiment prove anything of the sort? If nothing existed... what about the graphene needed to produce the particles? If there are quantum fields and gravity, is that really 'nothing'. Who made that?

And couldn't you find a real article--- with the author, title, maybe some key words, preferably a DOI number so we could look up the actual scientific article on Google Scholar or some other platform? I might take a look at an abstract.

Was the experiment repeated by numerous others who replicated it? If it is not, I would be concerned about their experiment getting contaminated with particles floating in. I have heard that scientists found evidence of 8 dimensions. I'd wonder also if what they were doing nudged a particle from another dimension.

And by 'dimension' I do not mean a comic book multiverse parallel world. Length, height, and width are dimensions.

Gravity is a natural law which is dictated by mass of an object which creates its own gravitational field
It has nothing to do with a creator or anything like that
Natural laws like gravity have no need of a creator and so the universe can have been created from nothing...
There are several experiments that show matter can create itself from nothing....

Do you have a link to the actual papers, as opposed to a paragraph on a page full of ads? What other experiment was done on this topic?

Was the experiment duplicated by others? Is graphene necessary to make the photons appear? Obviously some intelligent beings set the experiment up.

[Winston]

Hilarious joke about atheists that someone sent me:

"An atheist was seated next to a dusty old cowboy on an airplane and he turned to him and said, “Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.”

The old cowboy, who had just started to read his book, replied to the total stranger, “What would you want to talk about?”

“Oh, I don’t know,” said the atheist. “How about why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?” as he smiled smugly.

“Okay,” he said. “Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff – grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?”

The atheist, visibly surprised by the old cowboy's intelligence, thinks about it and says, “Hmmm, I have no idea.”

To which the cowboy replies, “Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, Heaven and Hell, or life after death, when you don’t know shit?”"

[CaptainSkelebob]

Got somethun here for you fellas!!
@Poxel--Dude and @Lucas88 who are the spiritual hippy tree hugging duo in this thread
And ofcthe god squad who consist of faghots and gayboys @MrMan @Outcast9428 @Cornfed

I think you are confusing us with other members of the forum. I can't speak for the other two posters, but I have never had sex with a biological male. You shouldn't be calling men gayboys or faghots.

Youll like this one
https://bgr.com/science/scientists-crea ... xperiment/
Science creates matter from nothing
Proving that god or some intelligent creator is not necessary and likely doesnt exist at all when we combine this knowledge with what we know about Big Bang and theory of evolution

How does this experiment prove anything of the sort? If nothing existed... what about the graphene needed to produce the particles? If there are quantum fields and gravity, is that really 'nothing'. Who made that?

And couldn't you find a real article--- with the author, title, maybe some key words, preferably a DOI number so we could look up the actual scientific article on Google Scholar or some other platform? I might take a look at an abstract.

Was the experiment repeated by numerous others who replicated it? If it is not, I would be concerned about their experiment getting contaminated with particles floating in. I have heard that scientists found evidence of 8 dimensions. I'd wonder also if what they were doing nudged a particle from another dimension.

And by 'dimension' I do not mean a comic book multiverse parallel world. Length, height, and width are dimensions.

Gravity is a natural law which is dictated by mass of an object which creates its own gravitational field
It has nothing to do with a creator or anything like that
Natural laws like gravity have no need of a creator and so the universe can have been created from nothing...
There are several experiments that show matter can create itself from nothing....

Do you have a link to the actual papers, as opposed to a paragraph on a page full of ads? What other experiment was done on this topic?

Was the experiment duplicated by others? Is graphene necessary to make the photons appear? Obviously some intelligent beings set the experiment up.

The scientists created the conditions for the experiment but then matter created itself from nothing
We have scientific evidence that matter can create itself from nothing
We also have background radiation which supports the big bang theory
The theory of evolution
All of which perfectly explain how the universe was created and it can be created from nothing
And also that advanced beings can evolve from simple creatures
Theres a dusty old book that is the only evidence that exists to support the idea of sky fairys and fairy tales
We have no evidence that god exists
No evidence that any gods exist at all
Well....
Except me ofc
Fella
We are just living inside an explosion in space
Apparently when an explosion explodes hard enough dust wakes up and thinks about its self
Even thems who wrote the bible said we are dust and dust we shall return....
Sorry fella
No gods here