What are your Taboo Opinions that you get to express on HappierAbroad but rarely elsewhere?

[fschmidt]

With the exception of the stable marriage one, I think all of those are pretty petty.

I consider someone traditional if they believe in objective, universal morality… A morality which condemns casual sex, adultery, polygamy, BDSM and other deviant acts, violent/extreme pornography, which holds up marriage as the goal of life and relationships. Somebody is traditional if they reject the women’s independence movement. A traditional person believes men should be the breadwinners and women should be homemakers. Women should devote their life to marital and domestic bliss, they should be sweet, nurturing, romantic, and cute. Men should be chivalrous gentlemen who provide for, love, and cherish their wife and do not commit adultery.

Those are the standards I have to consider somebody traditional. How often they watch television or use their cellphone or what kind of church they go to are petty issues. Even the modest dress isn’t really that important.

I picked actions that can be judged. I don't care about beliefs or what people say, only what people do. Adultery is defined in the Old Testament as a man having sex with another man's wife. The idea that the husband should not have sex outside of marriage is specifically Christian and Muslim, not part of most traditions. Polygamy is also accepted by many traditional cultures. And prostitution is traditional. One should study history to identify those things common to successful traditional cultures. And these include female chastity except for prostitutes, modest dress, separation of the sexes, stable marriage, and a serious religion.

[Outcast9428]

With the exception of the stable marriage one, I think all of those are pretty petty.

I consider someone traditional if they believe in objective, universal morality… A morality which condemns casual sex, adultery, polygamy, BDSM and other deviant acts, violent/extreme pornography, which holds up marriage as the goal of life and relationships. Somebody is traditional if they reject the women’s independence movement. A traditional person believes men should be the breadwinners and women should be homemakers. Women should devote their life to marital and domestic bliss, they should be sweet, nurturing, romantic, and cute. Men should be chivalrous gentlemen who provide for, love, and cherish their wife and do not commit adultery.

Those are the standards I have to consider somebody traditional. How often they watch television or use their cellphone or what kind of church they go to are petty issues. Even the modest dress isn’t really that important.

I picked actions that can be judged. I don't care about beliefs or what people say, only what people do. Adultery is defined in the Old Testament as a man having sex with another man's wife. The idea that the husband should not have sex outside of marriage is specifically Christian and Muslim, not part of most traditions. Polygamy is also accepted by many traditional cultures. And prostitution is traditional. One should study history to identify those things common to successful traditional cultures. And these include female chastity except for prostitutes, modest dress, separation of the sexes, stable marriage, and a serious religion.

I have studied history, a lot… Polygamy is an absolute disaster and any culture that incorporates it as part of their “traditionalism” will be an inferior culture.

I’m not against prostitution for single men but married men should not go to them. When you are married, you should love and cherish your wife and give her all of your romantic and sexual attention. I wouldn’t want my wife to do that to me so I’m not gonna do it to her.

[Cornfed]

I’m not against prostitution for single men but married men should not go to them. When you are married, you should love and cherish your wife and give her all of your romantic and sexual attention. I wouldn’t want my wife to do that to me so I’m not gonna do it to her.

She may not always want your sexual attention. Also, whereas female sexual attention taps into a finite reserve, with men the more you get from different females the more you want up to a point, so visiting prostitutes might spice up your marriage. Stop being a leftist and pretending that men and women are identical.

[Tsar]

Stop being a leftist and pretending that men and women are identical.

Good point. A woman is essentially just a valuable item of human livestock and should be treated accordingly. To apply the exact same standards for male and female sexuality gives them far too much agency. The more I think about it, the more my current wife-to-be reminds me of a precious pet; a wonderful companion, and versatile, a womb to breed with, a warm body to be with at night, but not someone who should be held to the same standards of male humans.

I developed a similar type of belief sometime between 2021 to 2022. I think one of the greatest mistakes is teaching children that they're the same. They're different. Applying the same standards to guys and girls is part of why the world is really messed up now.

A girl is definitely more like a precious pet and a female to breed offspring. She's also an accessory and a girl to be a female companion.

[fschmidt]

I have studied history, a lot… Polygamy is an absolute disaster and any culture that incorporates it as part of their “traditionalism” will be an inferior culture.

I am against polygamy but the reason is based on logic, not traditionalism.

I’m not against prostitution for single men but married men should not go to them. When you are married, you should love and cherish your wife and give her all of your romantic and sexual attention. I wouldn’t want my wife to do that to me so I’m not gonna do it to her.

I have no problem with prostitution for married men. Here are my reasons are both tradition and logic. You can disagree, but you can't claim that your view is a traditional view.

Obviously standards are different for husbands and wives. Just because I wouldn't want my wife to work doesn't mean that I shouldn't work.

[Outcast9428]

@Cornfed @MarcosZeitola and @Tsar I do look at them, in many ways, as a very special and precious pet. But I don’t treat my pets that way. To say that committing adultery on them just because we are men and they are girls is not “acknowledging biological differences” or something along those lines. It’s an excuse for degenerate behavior. A single man has nobody to take care of therefore there is nothing wrong with it but a married man has a woman. There is no excuse for why he can’t be faithful and trying to use the “I’m a man card” sounds awfully feminist in of itself because you’re using BS excuses in order to have not bother with having self discipline.

Girls sexual attention is the finite resource? Buddy you have it backwards.

[Cornfed]

You just can't stop implicitly being a leftist. It is like a disease.

[Outcast9428]

You just can't stop implicitly being a leftist. It is like a disease.

You can’t stop implicitly being a liberal, supporting both rough sex and adultery? For f**k’s sake.

[Cornfed]

You just can't stop implicitly being a leftist. It is like a disease.

You can’t stop implicitly being a liberal, supporting both rough sex and adultery? For f**k’s sake.

There you go giving the feminist definition of adultery again. You just can't help yourself.

[Outcast9428]

If the woman were to sleep with another man, it would be an abomination for she could get pregnant by this other man and cuckold the husband, forcing him to raise another man's child unknowingly.

That’s not the reason why it’s an abomination… I might adopt a child at some point in my life. I don’t know if it will be necessary but I’m open to the idea. That’s “raising another man’s child.”

Not everything needs a practical/functional reason for being immoral. The reason why it’s an abomination is because the thought of her sleeping with another man turns my stomach inside out and makes me want to puke. I have no idea how I would even react to that kind of news. I know it wouldn’t be good. My own reaction is something I never want to learn about because I will be unfathomably angry.

I never ever want to do that to my wife. I am never going to make her feel that way. Not under any circumstances. If she will not fulfill her wifely duties I will officially leave/breakup with her (maybe not officially/legally divorce). But I will not commit adultery under any circumstances. It’s not right and I cannot do that to someone I pledged to love.

You guys all want traditional wives but haven’t you considered that a traditional wife is the most likely to have an extremely negative reaction upon learning that you cheated on her? I mean you are just asking for trouble, possibly really serious trouble. If anything might motivate a woman to commit homicide it is this.

[Cornfed]

If you are going to shape your views based on your whiny emotions then you might as well start wearing a dress right now.

[MrMan]

Don't elect this man president and give him the nuclear football.

Elect me president, and I promise that my first act will be to nuke Silicon Valley. After that I will give everyone an opportunity to repent from modern culture and join some alternative. Those who don't will be exterminated. So do I have your support?

I'll wait for God to bring judgment. If Silicon Valley were nuked, it would probably wipe out a lot of our online platforms and render some of the other technologies we use unusable, and also slow the technological development of mankind for a while. But it might shift the balance of power on some cultural issues. Google and Facebook might not influence how people think anymore. Then we might be at the mercy of TikTok.

[fschmidt]

I'll wait for God to bring judgment. If Silicon Valley were nuked, it would probably wipe out a lot of our online platforms and render some of the other technologies we use unusable, and also slow the technological development of mankind for a while. But it might shift the balance of power on some cultural issues. Google and Facebook might not influence how people think anymore. Then we might be at the mercy of TikTok.

My primary reason for wanting to nuke Silicon Valley isn't even cultural, it is to save technology from incredibly crappy technology that Silicon Valley is producing. As a programmer, I know full depths of the depravity of Silicon Valley code. So I promise, if elected president, to personally rewrite any critical software that may be lost by my nuking Silicon Valley. Now will you vote for me?

Anyone interested in the technical side of this can see my site: http://www.reactionary.software/

[Outcast9428]

@fschmidt

Are you married? If you are married, how do you think your wife would feel if you said "I think its okay for married men to cheat on their wives?" How can you say you love her if you want to preserve your right to run off to a hooker anytime things aren't the best at home?

@Cornfed Have you ever loved a girl? I don't know anything about your personal life. If you did, I don't think you would feel the same way about this topic.

@MarcosZeitola

Traditionalists never said it was okay for men to just do whatever the hell they want and only women are expected to be chaste. It sounds like some of y'all are reading the feminist account of what traditional conservatism from the past was like and saying "hey that sounds pretty nice" and imitating that instead of the actual traditional values. I've grown up around actual traditionalists, including my own father, and nobody thinks adultery is okay whether its with a prostitute or with a normal girl.

Believing in different roles or behaviors for men and women is not the same at all as saying that completely different moral rules apply to them. That basically, crimes don't carry the same weight when a certain group is committing them or when they are inflicted on a certain group. That's not traditional, that's just its own brand of degeneracy.

Traditionalism is basically a combination of moralism and biological determinism. But right-leaning liberals seem to think just because they believe in the biological determinism part of traditionalism, that that makes them traditional. It doesn't. I would rather someone be pure conservative moralism then believe in the biological determinism but not the moralism. Mainstream conservatives are closer to being traditionalists then a man who wants to get rid of women's ability to vote but also believes its okay for men to cheat on their wives.

And you guys really believe a woman is not eventually going to figure out that her man cheated on her? This shit always comes out eventually.

Comparing women to pets is a perfect analogy. I also don't believe dogs should be in the workforce and I do believe they should be loyal, sweet, and cute. But the whole point of having a pet is to cherish, love, and spoil your pet. Anyone who doesn't do this, is considered a bad pet owner. Possibly an abusive one. Pets exist to be loved and to love you for loving them. My pets stay inside the house, they have high quality food, comfortable beds, they sleep on the couch and on the bed, they have sweaters for the winter time, a beautiful backyard to play in, and toys all over the place. The same thing applies to a wife. The whole point of having a wife is to love, cherish, and spoil her. If a man isn't doing that then what the f**k is he doing with a wife? He just wants a fuckable piece of furniture in the house? God put women on this Earth to love us and for us to love them. Traditionalism is about creating a world for men like that, its about creating a world where you get an adorable, sweet female companion to love and cherish... And who will love you for loving her.

Its funny how people like CaptainSkelebob and Cornfed want to pretend that traditionalism was really harsh, unemotional and cold. Watch any Shakespeare play, however, and you realize that people in the past were so sappy and emotional that people today would be calling them faggots. People in Renaissance Europe make Latin America look reserved by comparison. Romeo killed himself because he lost a woman he married three days ago. You think that's the type of man who'd justify going to brothels and leaving his poor Juliet at home alone? You think he would have any desire to do that in the first place? Virtually every Shakespeare play I saw, the men were pronouncing their ever-lasting love for the female characters, telling her she's the most beautiful girl in the entire world. That no girl would ever matter to him like she did, that she was all he needed in life to be happy. That his life would be meaningless without her.

Are these exaggerated portrayals? Maybe in some cases... But it absolutely does tell us a lot about how a lot of people thought back then. People in the pre-feminist world were not the violent, woman hating misogynists that feminists portray them as. Did those kind of men exist back then, I'm sure they did. But most weren't like that. They viewed women the same way that I do. And parents absolutely did expect that a potential suitor for their daughter treat her like that.

Cornfed says I'm implicitly leftist, yet I have an extremely conservative genetic code. All the men in my family who I am related to by blood are conservative. That includes all the young men too. What are the odds that of 15 different men, every single one of them would turn out to be a family oriented Christian conservative? All of us vote Republican and none of hookup with random girls. All of us are either married or trying to be. I don't have a single playboy type guy in my family. The men in my family do not cheat on their wives either. None of them are divorced. My family is full of happy marriages where no one cheated on each other, abused each other, or divorced each other. The kind of marriages that liberals, leftists, and blackpilled conservatives act like doesn't exist anymore. Conservatism is so wired into our genes, the men in my family couldn't be liberals if we wanted to. I have experience at strip clubs, and I found that every time, I just wanted the same dancer over and over again. Once I had my favorite dancer, I had no interest in the others anymore.

[Outcast9428]

@MarcosZeitola

Traditionalists never said it was okay for men to just do whatever the hell they want and only women are expected to be chaste. It sounds like some of y'all are reading the feminist account of what traditional conservatism from the past was like and saying "hey that sounds pretty nice" and imitating that instead of the actual traditional values. I've grown up around actual traditionalists, including my own father, and nobody thinks adultery is okay whether its with a prostitute or with a normal girl.

Believing in different roles or behaviors for men and women is not the same at all as saying that completely different moral rules apply to them. That basically, crimes don't carry the same weight when a certain group is committing them or when they are inflicted on a certain group. That's not traditional, that's just its own brand of degeneracy.

Traditionalism is basically a combination of moralism and biological determinism. But right-leaning liberals seem to think just because they believe in the biological determinism part of traditionalism, that that makes them traditional. It doesn't. I would rather someone be pure conservative moralism then believe in the biological determinism but not the moralism. Mainstream conservatives are closer to being traditionalists then a man who wants to get rid of women's ability to vote but also believes its okay for men to cheat on their wives.

And you guys really believe a woman is not eventually going to figure out that her man cheated on her? This shit always comes out eventually.

Comparing women to pets is a perfect analogy. I also don't believe dogs should be in the workforce and I do believe they should be loyal, sweet, and cute. But the whole point of having a pet is to cherish, love, and spoil your pet. Anyone who doesn't do this, is considered a bad pet owner. Possibly an abusive one. Pets exist to be loved and to love you for loving them. My pets stay inside the house, they have high quality food, comfortable beds, they sleep on the couch and on the bed, they have sweaters for the winter time, a beautiful backyard to play in, and toys all over the place. The same thing applies to a wife. The whole point of having a wife is to love, cherish, and spoil her. If a man isn't doing that then what the f**k is he doing with a wife? He just wants a fuckable piece of furniture in the house? God put women on this Earth to love us and for us to love them. Traditionalism is about creating a world for men like that, its about creating a world where you get an adorable, sweet female companion to love and cherish... And who will love you for loving her.

Its funny how people like CaptainSkelebob and Cornfed want to pretend that traditionalism was really harsh, unemotional and cold. Watch any Shakespeare play, however, and you realize that people in the past were so sappy and emotional that people today would be calling them faggots. People in Renaissance Europe make Latin America look reserved by comparison. Romeo killed himself because he lost a woman he married three days ago. You think that's the type of man who'd justify going to brothels and leaving his poor Juliet at home alone? You think he would have any desire to do that in the first place? Virtually every Shakespeare play I saw, the men were pronouncing their ever-lasting love for the female characters, telling her she's the most beautiful girl in the entire world. That no girl would ever matter to him like she did, that she was all he needed in life to be happy. That his life would be meaningless without her.

Are these exaggerated portrayals? Maybe in some cases... But it absolutely does tell us a lot about how a lot of people thought back then. People in the pre-feminist world were not the violent, woman hating misogynists that feminists portray them as. Did those kind of men exist back then, I'm sure they did. But most weren't like that. They viewed women the same way that I do. And parents absolutely did expect that a potential suitor for their daughter treat her like that.

Cornfed says I'm implicitly leftist, yet I have an extremely conservative genetic code. All the men in my family who I am related to by blood are conservative. That includes all the young men too. What are the odds that of 15 different men, every single one of them would turn out to be a family oriented Christian conservative? All of us vote Republican and none of hookup with random girls. All of us are either married or trying to be. I don't have a single playboy type guy in my family. The men in my family do not cheat on their wives either. None of them are divorced. My family is full of happy marriages where no one cheated on each other, abused each other, or divorced each other. The kind of marriages that liberals, leftists, and blackpilled conservatives act like doesn't exist anymore. Conservatism is so wired into our genes, the men in my family couldn't be liberals if we wanted to. I have experience at strip clubs, and I found that every time, I just wanted the same dancer over and over again. Once I had my favorite dancer, I had no interest in the others anymore.

I think that when you say the demand for chastity is exactly the same for men and women, it sort of rubs certain men the wrong way. For the record, @fschmidt IS married, in fact he's probably the most respectable veteran traditionalist poster on this forum, he's an older male, has been married to a Mexican woman for decades and has two grown children. So he's not just some random dude talking out his ass.

As for me, personally, I fully agree that the ideal scenario is for a man and woman to always be faithful to one another as much as humanly possible. At the same time, there are men who simply aren't having their sexual needs met by their wives. This is a sad fact of life, "dead bedrooms" occur in too many marriages, and sex all too often becomes this painful affair that occurs once a week or so... I know one older Asian man in his fifties whose wife had a hysterectomy; after this point, she could no longer get wet and never really got aroused anymore. Sex became extremely physically painful for her. What was this man supposed to do, my friend, was he supposed to just, stay sexless for the rest of his life? He could live another twenty or thirty years never getting any action. Instead, he got a discreet mistress. Sometimes when abroad he visits prostitutes. I don't feel comfortable judging this man. He's a good man in a shitty situation.

There are quite a lot of good men out there who find themselves in shitty situations. Women change. Wives and girlfriends sometimes seem like entirely different species altogether. I feel an enormously strong, passionate attachment to my current wife-to-be. Love her to bits, she's gorgeous, she's physically perfect. But I have no way whatsoever of knowing this will remain. That her passion will not change. That life circumstances will not change her. Of course I'll do my best to do the right thing. And since she is a lot younger than me, chances are by the time she gets a little older and less into things, my own libido might have gone down somewhat. Who knows? All I know is, I am uncomfortable demonizing men who are in desperate need of a sexual release, fail to get it from their wives, and are more or less forced to seek this release elsewhere.

And no, I don't believe this believe makes me a liberal, or a fake conservative or any of those things. I am looking at this situation from a strictly neutral perspective, from a position of empathy, firmly rooted in realism. There is the way we want things to be, the way we pray for things to be, and then there's reality as we find it. The two aren't always the same, sadly. I'm not advocating for husbands to be unfaithful... but there are husbands who are dealt a rough hand by life, by changing hormones, by aging and busy wives, by unforseen medical situations. It may be preferable for a man caught in such a predicament to discreetly see another woman, or women, as opposed to divorcing his wife and marrying someone else, breaking up a perfectly good marriage that works in all ways but one. Food for thought, I hope. I'm not trying to attack you or your worldview, @Outcast9428 but I am trying to make you see this thing in a new light you might not have considered as much as you should have, or could have.

I think the guy who’s wife cannot have sex because of the medical conditions gets a pass actually. I mean, neither of them are at fault for that at all.

95% of the time though, that’s not what this is going to look like. It’s not even going to be men who’s wives have turned into bitches. It is overwhelmingly just going to be men saying shit like “eh variety is the spice of life right? You can’t expect a man to just sleep with one woman for the rest of his life!”

If you point out these very specific exceptions then I might say “okay he gets a pass” but when I see people making blanket statements like “It’s not adultery if men do it.” Yeah that just reeks of hypocrisy. Those guys are being manipulative and twisting principles so they sound like they’re being traditional because they are saying different standards apply to men and women when they are really just being degenerates looking to create a loophole where they keep power in a relationship but aren’t required to make any of the sacrifices or accept any of the responsibilities. We should not accept the entire behavior in order to account for some rare exceptions because the vast majority of the time it’s not going to be men like the guy you described doing it, it’s going to be some asshole saying “life’s too short so do whatever you want man! Variety is the spice of life!”

That’s how human beings are. Whenever you give people freedom they abuse it and take advantage of it. It’s better to just handle the exceptions when they come up rather then be permissive because you are worried about the exceptions.