Biggest Mystery: If the USA dating scene is unwinnable, how does everyone have a wife and family?!

[Winston]

Hi all,
I've been wondering about this for a long time. It's perhaps one of the greatest mysteries and discrepancies about America that I can't figure out and which stumps everyone, and is taboo to even ask. I wonder if there is some variable I am missing or if reality is just a dream that makes no sense. The simple question is: If the dating scene in America is unwinnable for many reasons, and a no-win situation, then how is it that almost everyone in America has a wife and family to raise, or it's assumed that everyone does rather? Let me elaborate on what I mean so you see the big picture.

Why the dating scene is unwinnable in America and a no-win situation:

1. The women are not approachable at all. They look like they don't want to be bothered and that every guy they don't know is a creep or psycho. They look like they have ZERO interest in meeting men or making friends. They look 100 percent closed.

2. Every woman you meet in America claims to be married or taken. The few single women that supposedly exist, are SUPER picky. Even if you meet them, there is a 99.99 percent chance they will say "you are not my type" or be disinterested and act unavailable to you.

3. Flirtation is a TABOO in America. It's seen as creepy and perverted and immoral and a violation of a woman's boundaries and right to be left alone. You are only allowed to flirt with your wife or girlfriend, but not with any other females, especially female strangers. Yet oddly enough American movies make it look like flirting is normal in America when it is obviously NOT. (Aren't movies supposed to reflect the local culture?) You are supposed to have your own wife and not be seeking a woman or date or trying to meet women out in public. Because America assumes on creeps and psychos and dangerous people will approach female strangers or chat them up. You are supposed to keep to yourself and focus on business only. That's the American vibe you can feel all around you. Totally antisocial. You aren't allowed to talk about this though.

4. American women are very masculine, cold, uptight, and not feminine at all. There is a cold unfriendly wall around them. They are all business with no warmth, sweetness, closeness, sincerity or emotion. Hence you cannot naturally connect with them if you are a natural masculine man like real men of the old world. They also look spoiled ROTTEN with a bad attitude, and degenerate, not wholesome or sweet or natural (like women were in the 50s and 60s). They also look super cold, closed, antisocial, and ALL business, like you aren't supposed to talk to them unless its for business only. There is no free flowing social interaction in America. They don't even look like good friend material, let alone marriage material. And they do not seem decent either, just super spoiled and selfish and self-absorbed. So if they are not even decent people whom you can be friends with, how can you marry them? It doesn't make sense.

5. Even if you know women in America, you are supposed to be polite to them and treat them like a platonic friend or acquaintance. If you ask them out or show a natural romantic interest in them, it's seen as crossing the line and a violation of boundaries. So if you like someone, you can't do anything about it. Because you are expected to keep your distance and not get intimate or involved. You are expected to keep to yourself in other words. A man isn't allowed to be a man in modern America, in other words.

6. No woman in America today looks like good wife material, like they did in the 1950s. They all look spoiled and narcissistic and into themselves and antisocial. Like in a marriage they would only care about themselves and not merge into one with their partner. No traditional values, only liberalism and political correctness. It's nearly impossible to find a quality woman who isn't taken or super picky or unattractive or has a toxic personality.

7. America does not allow you to go out and get a date or seek love/romance. It only allows you to go out and buy consumer products. Hence there is no way to try to fulfill your needs for love, romance, female companionship, or even to get a wife. It's as if you were expected to marry your high school or college sweetheart and settle down for the rest of your life and never talk to any strangers again unless it's for business. It's very weird, but it seems that that's what America assumes and expects. If you didn't settle down early, you are an anomaly and an odd man out.

8. Every woman you see in America acts like she doesn't need you and doesn't need anyone. They all look like they have ZERO interest and ZERO enthusiasm in meeting men or making new friends. Totally different from women in other countries, who usually show some interest and enthusiam toward making new friends and meeting new people and have a more curious disposition. In America the women do not look curious at all, but totally self-absorbed. Hence impossible to connect with or befriend.

9. If you try to use dating sites in America, 99 percent of the women you write to do not reply. The few that do just write a few emails and then disappear for no reason, even if they sounded interested. So you end up wasting hours on dating sites with no return. Or you meet the lowest quality women there in terms of looks and personality, as if quality women don't exist in America. Furthermore, even when you meet women off of dating sites in the US and have a good time, they always blow you off later and don't want to meet again, even if they seemed to have a good time and got along with you well. So even when you have a positive experience, they still reject you and blow you off. In contrast, dating sites only seem to work well when you are in other countries, it seems. But not in America.

So you see, in America if you are single male who likes women, EVERYTHING is against you from EVERY angle. It's like having many swords pointed at you from 360 degrees all around you. It seems to be a totally cruel mindfuck by the universe. It's UNWINNABLE and a no-win situation. A LOSE-LOSE scenario so to speak. You'd have better luck winning the hardest video game than the dating scene in America!

The big IRONY here is that if you are not even allowed to go out and get dates or approach women -- because talking to female strangers in America is seen as taboo, inappropriate, and violating -- then how are you supposed to win at the dating scene? That's like expecting you to score in baseball, but not being allowed to get up to bat. Or expecting you to win in chess but not being allowed to even play. Etc. You get the idea. It's highly illogical and self-contradictory. But of course, America does not admit that women are unapproachable, even though they obviously are, and anyone who goes out in public can see that. Because America always denies the truth since everything seems to be Satanically inversed in America. Hence the US dating scene is unwinnable, self-defeating, and self-contradictory too. A total mindfuck basically.

However, in spite of all this...

Everyone seems to have a wife and family and is settled down in America, or it's assumed to be so, as if getting a wife is the EASIEST and most NATURAL thing in the universe:

1. Turn on any mainstream TV network news like CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, or Fox News and you will see that the newscasters always assume that you are married and settled down. They always refer to "your family" and "your partner and spouse" etc as if everyone has a wife, as if getting a wife is the EASIEST thing in the world and not even an issue. Even on YouTube and independent media, most do the same, they talk to their audience as if they are all married and have a wife and family to raise, as if every normal person is married and finding a wife is something natural and universal that everyone has. They often say stuff like "Your spouse and loved ones" as if everyone is happily married and dating is not an issue. They will even say stuff like "Have more sex with your wife" as if everyone has a wife, as if a wife is something you are born with. So the assumption is definitely there.

2. In America, EVERYTHING seems geared toward couples and families. Nothing is geared toward singles. Especially in the suburbs. It's as if society assumes that everyone has a wife and family and no one is single. You don't even see people eating alone in restaurants, unlike in Europe and other countries where it's normal and not seen as strange. If you are a single male you feel out of place like an anomaly or odd man out. It's sad. Yet in most other countries you don't feel that way. Even bars and nightclubs seem geared toward couples and groups, not for singles to meet other singles, because America acts like singles don't exist, only couples exist. Hence if you are single in America, you supposedly don't exist! Lol

3. Every woman you meet claims to be married or taken, even if they aren't. So every woman in America claims to be unavailable. If you don't believe me, go approach them and ask. Yet how come in SE Asia, most women you meet claim to be single? Go figure. Americans must be very narrow if all they do is marry early and settle down into routine.

4. In suburban neighborhoods, if you look all around you, you see nothing but married couples, families, and people with live in partners even if not married. It's like everyone already has someone in America, even though the dating scene is unwinnable for the many reasons outlined above. Very odd. It's as if the universe is playing a cruel hoax or mindfuck on you. Even if you go to Walmart, you will see that 90 percent of the shoppers are with their significant other or with their kids or parents. No singles and no one looking to meet anyone. Everyone just minds their own business. No eye contact with others.

5. I heard that most Americans do not end up marrying their high school sweetheart and living happily ever after, like the movies show. If that's so, then you gotta wonder, how is everyone settling down so early and so easily with a long term partner in America?

Do you see what I mean now? This is like a 100000000 percent contradiction, oxymoron and discrepancy! How can something totally unwinnable and nearly impossible, be the easiest and most natural thing in the world to normies? Something must be missing from the equation here. What am I missing exactly? And why is everyone I ask about this STUMPED, even though this is a seemingly simple question? Very odd. (scratching head)

The only logical explanation I can think of, is that there is a HIDDEN hand and order to things, like a fate or destiny that we don't see but is definitely there. Even Einstein when asked about God, said that there must be a hidden intelligence in the universe that is beyond our senses which orders the universe. So basically, having a wife in America isn't something you choose or something you make happen. If it's in your destiny or fate, then it happens, as part of the natural flow of your life, without effort. It happens naturally in other words, if it's meant to be. This further evidenced by the fact that most people seem to be on auto pilot, as if they are running on some type of script or program. Therefore, they cannot possibly be "making things happen". The script they are on determines what happens. Especially since most people are simpletons and only know how to go with the flow. What this means is that if you are single or married in America, it was meant to be that way. You were not given a choice or menu to select what you want. Your life goes by what the universe has destined you for. If you think about it, this is the only explanation that makes sense and fits.

Of course another explanation is that we are simply in a shared dream or simulation where nothing adds up or makes sense, and hence is there to screw with your mind and make you confused. Or perhaps most people aren't even real and that's why they seem to be not all there? Like an NPC or organic portal? Or maybe we are just losers and misfits so the universe shuts us out of society and only tolerates us as long as we don't break any laws? lol

What do you all think? Have any of you pondered all the above too? Any explanations or insights? Isn't this the most baffling mystery in the universe or at least in America if you think about it? lol

[kangarunner]

When Chad makes a video saying "American women are the worst", then it's over for American women.

[kangarunner]

@Winston Look Winston, white women are the majority female population in America and then black, Hispanic, then Asian. It's common knowledge that white women rarely date Asian men. It's rare. Look let's just put this fact on the table....White American women DO NOT date Asian men. Sorry but not sorry. That fact already puts you at a disadvantage. Secondly, Asian female population is less than 10 percent in America. So, if you look at the numbers, the numbers are against you to find someone because you're an Asian guy. Combine that with the fact that American women are extremely picky and selective on what they want. And it's also common knowledge that the majority of American women want tall men (5ft 11 and over) which both you and I are not. They DO NOT want short men. It's just a fact.

https://www.marchofdimes.org/peristats/ ... ev=1&obj=3

Retrieved December 14, 2022, from www.marchofdimes.org/peristats. In the United States in 2020, 21.3% of women ages 15-44 were Hispanic, 54.3% were white, 14.0% were black, 0.8% were American Indian/Alaska Native and 7.1% were Asian/Pacific Islander.

[Winston]

What do you all think? Have any of you pondered all the above too? Any explanations or insights? Isn't this the most baffling mystery in the universe or at least in America if you think about it? lol

I read about your life history quite a bit, @Winston and you are kind of a unique case in a lot of ways. So what seems 'unwinnable' to you and perhaps others like you, isn't to quite a few others. You have a ton of good qualities but you're also fairly short, fairly dorky looking and never have been the world's most handsome man, although you aren't also hideous. Going abroad, being kinda dorky and quirky wasn't an issue anymore as your flaws were overlooked by many foreign women. Not to mention that in countries like China or the Philippines, you're probably average to above average facially for a man whereas in America, you may be somewhat below average.

Think of it like this... if you had been born in America in the same family, but you had been six feet tall with broad shoulders, a naturally muscular physique and without a gigantic bobblehead, do you still feel the dating scene would have been "unwinnable" for you? Because I think it probably would have sucked somewhat either way, being an Asian male, but it would have been fairly okay. Like imagine if you were a disciplined gym rat with a low body fat percentage and you actually had the facial features and body of Bruce Lee. Pretty sure you would have "won" right where you are in the USA.

I've also often heard people complain, especially Asian men, that in the West it is hard for them to date. Part of this may be because Hollywood movies rarely allow for the Asian male character to "get the girl". So as an Asian you have sort of this built-in stereotype of being some asexual nerdy fellow. Some of this may be a racial thing, because the minute you go to Asia, this issue is no longer there... suddenly you're just another guy, and you're viewed as just any other guy. Plus your status as an American citizen becomes a bonus all of a sudden. That's my theory, anyway. Don't really think it's rocket science.

Are you saying it's all about looks MZ? Isn't that kind of shallow? Did you read all the points I listed above? You guys seem to go off on a tangent a lot and not address my main points. Why? MZ, if it's all about looks, then explain this please:

1. Every Asian guy I know in the SF Bay Area married an Asian woman there, after going to a good university and getting a good job and being a good normie citizen. As you know, most Asian men are not good looking but kind of nerdy and dorky looking. How can that be?

2. Are most married men tall and handsome? Think about it. Look around you.

3. Most of the guys on this forum are white or black. Yet they find the dating scene in America unwinnable too. How do you explain that? It may not all be about their looks. They may have personality or mental issues too. So may I. It doesn't mean Aspergers, just some mental issues that block them from riding the normie wave that everyone else is able to, or tuning into the same frequency that normal people are.

4. How come most American women say this about their husbands: "When I met him, I thought he wasn't my type. But somehow I became drawn to him or grew to love him." I'm sure you've heard them say that before. How do you explain that? Doesn't that indicate that it wasn't about looks?

Of course my looks are a factor. But I could have mental issues too. Most of my friends don't think I have Aspergers, but other issues. So I may not be an aspie but I could have other mental issues that prevent me from riding the normie wave or frequency that most people are on. I'm not saying all normies are the same or of one mind. However, they all seem to be tuned to some frequency and flow that we are NOT attuned to for some reason, possibly because of our mental issues. What do you think?

You are right about one thing MZ. In SE Asia I am considered better looking than in America. There I'm considered decent looking, not bad, or cute, by many girls. Whereas in America everyone says "You're not my type" including Asian American women.

[Winston]

@Winston Look Winston, white women are the majority female population in America and then black, Hispanic, then Asian. It's common knowledge that white women rarely date Asian men. It's rare. Look let's just put this fact on the table....White American women DO NOT date Asian men. Sorry but not sorry. That fact already puts you at a disadvantage. Secondly, Asian female population is less than 10 percent in America. So, if you look at the numbers, the numbers are against you to find someone because you're an Asian guy. Combine that with the fact that American women are extremely picky and selective on what they want. And it's also common knowledge that the majority of American women want tall men (5ft 11 and over) which both you and I are not. They DO NOT want short men. It's just a fact.

https://www.marchofdimes.org/peristats/ ... ev=1&obj=3

Retrieved December 14, 2022, from www.marchofdimes.org/peristats. In the United States in 2020, 21.3% of women ages 15-44 were Hispanic, 54.3% were white, 14.0% were black, 0.8% were American Indian/Alaska Native and 7.1% were Asian/Pacific Islander.

@kangarunner why are you going off on a tangent rather than addressing the points in my OP? I don't understand why you guys do that. At least some of my points should be addressed. Look at the questions I posted above to MZ. It can't be all about race, because all the Asian guys I know in the SF Bay Area found Asian wives after graduating from good universities and getting good careers. Race wasn't an issue for them. But they are normies. We aren't. They are tuned into some frequency that we are not. Haven't you noticed?

You also forget that in the SF Bay Area, most women are colored or Asian or Hispanic or Indian, not White. Since the 1990s, whites in CA have been dwindling and now whites are a minority there. You forgot that and assumed I lived in TN or something. Had I lived in the South I may have had more novelty appeal. lol. I noticed that in Washington state, white women there were more likely to make friends with me than the white women in California for some reason, maybe because I was more of a novelty in WA?

Think about it. There are also mental issues that we may have too, that prevent us from being tuned to the normie frequency that normal people are, hence shutting us out. Most of the guys here are white or black too, not asian. How do you explain that?

[kangarunner]

Are you saying it's all about looks MZ? Isn't that kind of shallow?

@Winston You made very good points in your post. But the answer is YES, taking into all factors, looks would account for the majority of the woman's initial attraction level. Ever heard the saying, "The truth hurts"? The reason I say that is because my looks aren't good enough. I don't think I'm ugly, but I definitely don't make the cut for American women's expectation of what their ideal man is. I just face the facts and the facts are that I'm not good looking enough. I'm not living in a fantasy world. I'm living in reality. I've accepted it.

1. Every Asian guy I know in the SF Bay Area married an Asian woman there, after going to a good university and getting a good job and being a good normie citizen. As you know, most Asian men are not good looking but kind of nerdy and dorky looking. How can that be?

Really? You know every single Asian guy in California?

2. Are most married men tall and handsome? Think about it. Look around you.

No, not all of them, but the facts are that women desire taller men. That is common knowledge. And in America tall is considered 5ft 11 and over. Women are picky.

3. Most of the guys on this forum are white or black. Yet they find the dating scene in America unwinnable too. How do you explain that? It may not all be about their looks. They may have personality or mental issues too. So may I. It doesn't mean Aspergers, just some mental issues that block them from riding the normie wave that everyone else is able to, or tuning into the same frequency that normal people are.

The answer is for all the points you've listed in this post and also the other articles you wrote on your site about American women. They're just the worst when it comes to dating. It's a fact. How many men from non-Western countries do you see flying on a plane to America because they want to marry an American woman? How many? Zero. No man from another country outside of America wants their asses.

4. How come most American women say this about their husbands: "When I met him, I thought he wasn't my type. But somehow I became drawn to him or grew to love him." I'm sure you've heard them say that before. How do you explain that? Doesn't that indicate that it wasn't about looks?

No, it is about looks. They're flat out lying when they say that.

Of course my looks are a factor. But I could have mental issues too. Most of my friends don't think I have Aspergers, but other issues. So I may not be an aspie but I could have other mental issues that prevent me from riding the normie wave or frequency that most people are on. I'm not saying all normies are the same or of one mind. However, they all seem to be tuned to some frequency and flow that we are NOT attuned to for some reason, possibly because of our mental issues. What do you think?

Being a normie would give you an advantage in dating but you're not a normie.

[kangarunner]

Here's another thing. If you think the dating market was bad when you were younger Winston, you should see the shitshow that it is for men now......The younger generation of women coming up is full of superficiality and artificiality and unreality. Just look at how much time and effort they put into their social media posts. They will literally take 200 selfies and then sort through them to find the best one and then put it through a photo filter effect app and then finally post it. The younger women coming up today care more about their social media profiles and likes and followers than they care about making genuine, authentic connections in person with other people.

Younger women today live in a fantasy world of social media likes and followers.

[Winston]

Are you saying it's all about looks MZ? Isn't that kind of shallow?

@Winston You made very good points in your post. But the answer is YES, taking into all factors, looks would account for the majority of the woman's initial attraction level. Ever heard the saying, "The truth hurts"? The reason I say that is because my looks aren't good enough. I don't think I'm ugly, but I definitely don't make the cut for American women's expectation of what their ideal man is. I just face the facts and the facts are that I'm not good looking enough. I'm not living in a fantasy world. I'm living in reality. I've accepted it.

1. Every Asian guy I know in the SF Bay Area married an Asian woman there, after going to a good university and getting a good job and being a good normie citizen. As you know, most Asian men are not good looking but kind of nerdy and dorky looking. How can that be?

Really? You know every single Asian guy in California?

2. Are most married men tall and handsome? Think about it. Look around you.

No, not all of them, but the facts are that women desire taller men. That is common knowledge. And in America tall is considered 5ft 11 and over. Women are picky.

Of course I don't know every Asian guy in CA. I never said that. I said all the Asian guys I do know married Asian wives and settled down after graduating from college. This includes family friends, relatives, etc. Bay Area is normie land. Normies don't have the issues that we do. They marry and settle down and have careers and have houses.

But you are 5ft11 right? How come American women don't want you?

How do average men in America get wives then? Aren't average men just average looking?

[kangarunner]

How do average men in America get wives then? Aren't average men just average looking?

@Winston
Honestly what are you wanting to accomplish by continuing to ask these questions? What answer are you looking for? You've written so many articles about American women. Why do you keep writing about this topic?

Look, you wrote a lot of great articles on this site that really helped me see America for what it truly is. And I thank you for that.

[Winston]

Yes MZ. I was about to say the same thing, that it's not just about my looks, because other Asian men of my height and looks have wives and are settled down. The other main factor is that I'm not a normie who is hard working and career oriented. Because you see, in college I had a Vietnamese girlfriend and had a Chinese female friend who was semi into me maybe. But they knew I was different and a little weird, so not marriage material. Plus my Vietnamese girlfriend wanted to eventually marry a Vietnamese guy. Had I focused on the Chinese friend, I might have been able to date her too, but I had a fetish for white girls at the time, which were out of my league, because as you said, I am too short and unattractive for them. Had I been a normie though, I might have been able to settle down with an Asian girl from college. That small window of opportunity was lost. A normie in my position might have been able to capitalize on that situation and came out with an Asian wife.

So you see, it's not just about my looks. But in your first reply above, you made it sound like it was all about my looks. Did I misunderstand you?

What I don't understand is that if America is a "free country" then how come only normies are accepted and fit in, whereas misfits like me are shunned and ostracized? Shouldn't a free country be accepting of misfits too? Like the Philippines is? That never made any sense. When will America stop LYING and calling itself a "free country"? It's annoying that this lie is repeated ad nauseum.

Btw MZ. I am very down to earth and talkative and sincere and real. You talked to me on the phone so you know that. So doesn't that give me any points among normies? Why is that when someone in the movies says something deep and profound, they are praised by movie goers. But if you say something deep and profound in real life, you are seen as weird or a freak?

Also if I don't lie or do bad things, why do most normies, including most of my cousins, avoid me like the plague as if I'm some kind of disease? Aren't character, integrity and honest the most important traits? Don't I have high marks in those areas? I don't understand this world MZ. Maybe you can help me understand it. Maybe you can be the bridge between me and the normie world? Lol

Would Holland and Amsterdam treat me better than America does?

Btw MZ, technically I am not "unemployed". To be considered unemployed by US government standards, you have to be looking for work but not able to obtain it. If I am not looking for work, then I am not classified as unemployed. I tell people I meet that I am "retired" or "semi-retired" not unemployed. Many here are freelancers too, who work for themselves and do not have steady income. The word "retired" sounds better because it makes you sound financially independent. So don't put me into categories I don't belong in man.

[Winston]

How do average men in America get wives then? Aren't average men just average looking?

@Winston
Honestly what are you wanting to accomplish by continuing to ask these questions? What answer are you looking for? You've written so many articles about American women. Why do you keep writing about this topic?

Look, you wrote a lot of great articles on this site that really helped me see America for what it truly is. And I thank you for that.

I'm just seeking the truth, that's all. I told you. I am seeking an explanation that FITS ALL THE DATA, not just some of it. You have to come up with an explanation that takes into account all the data. For example, you forgot that in CA there is a large percentage of Asians, so my race can't be the reason. So you didn't take into account all the data.

Anyhow, if my questions annoy you, you don't have to answer them. Just stick with the threads that interest you and are less annoying. If you think these questions are pointless, then just ignore them.

[WilliamSmith]

Forgive me if I'm getting too Dickensy and mushy as Christmas approaches, but I honestly don't get why so many longtime members who keep coming back to this forum for years on end put such a high priority of trashing on and insulting @Winston???
I don't personally agree with various points in the article I skimmed (but will read more carefully in a minute and respond to that next), but damn... @MarcosZeitola, why do you this so often? I find it very strange.
I couldn't care less what other people say or think about me either, and (without disrespect to him) I don't care if Winston thinks I'm too antisemitic or homophobic or whatever, but.... the point I'm curious about is why so many longtime members continuously come in to insult him and his ideas on his own forum that he's built that the rest of us have taken such a liking to?

Edit for clarity: I tagged the following users because I was interested in their opinion, not implying they specifically had ever trashed on Winston. I deliberately left out names like Cornfed, ContrarianExpat (or is that Cornfed's sock-puppet troll account to larp as a pompous asshole talking yet more !@#$ about black women for no good reason while boasting of his alleged triumphs poaching feeble-minded Ukrainian slavic hobgoblins?), and Shemp, for obvious reasons, since they openly indulge in their trolling.
@Pixel--dude
@Lucas88
@Outcast9428
@gsjackson
@Tsar
@publicduende
@Yohan
@MrMan

What do you think about the above?

Just curious guys!

[Winston]

Forgive me if I'm getting too Dickensy and mushy as Christmas approaches, but I honestly don't get why so many longtime members who keep coming back to this forum for years on end put such a high priority of trashing on and insulting @Winston???
I don't personally agree with various points in the article I skimmed (but will read more carefully in a minute and respond to that next), but damn... @MarcosZeitola, why do you this so often? I find it very strange.
I couldn't care less what other people say or think about me either, and (without disrespect to him) I don't care if Winston thinks I'm too antisemitic or homophobic or whatever, but.... the point I'm curious about is why so many longtime members continuously come in to insult him and his ideas on his own forum that he's built that the rest of us have taken such a liking to?

@Pixel--dude
@Lucas88
@Outcast9428
@gsjackson
@Tsar
@publicduende
@Yohan
@MrMan

What do you think about the above?

Just curious guys!

I don't think @MarcosZeitola dislikes me or looks down on me. I think he appreciates me and likes me somewhat and agrees with me on many things. But he is just giving me some "tough love" in trying to explain why normies don't like me, which is something I've wondered about. He is not saying that he doesn't like me. He is just trying to explain to me the normie perspective of me. I think a lot of what he said in this thread is plausible. However it is sad, because the kind of normies he describes act like they are still in high school and very narrow minded, disliking anyone they find different and "not cool enough to be in their clique". Unfortunately, many Americans and Taiwanese act like they are still in high school.

It is true though that MZ seems to have a low opinion of my looks. But perhaps most if not all white women feel the same and see me as short and unattractive, and that's why white women are usually not attracted to me?

MZ, what about Europe then? Do Europeans shun you if you are not a normie? Aren't most Europeans very open minded, down to earth and mature? The ones who are travelers and backpackers seem to be. I think Europe is somewhere in the middle, not as narrow as Americans but not as extremely chill and relaxed as SE Asians. Somewhere in the middle. That's my impression. What do you think MZ?

Regardless, it seems that SE Asia is still my best bet, because the people there don't care if you are weird or eccentric or misfit. As long as you are nice and treat people kindly and with respect, they don't care if you are weird or different. Right MZ?

[WilliamSmith]

I don't think @MarcosZeitola dislikes me or looks down on me. I think he appreciates me and likes me somewhat and agrees with me on many things. But he is just giving me some "tough love" in trying to explain why normies don't like me, which is something I've wondered about. He is not saying that he doesn't like me. He is just trying to explain to me the normie perspective of me.

Well, that's good! I am glad if you like each other. But I only asked about why the "trashing on and insulting," not necessarily "disliking." This isn't the first thread I've noticed it, but hey, if you're OK with it, I won't complain. Just curious.

I'm tapped out and will have to look forward to returning HA after New Year, but all I can add for now is:
I've personally found women fairly approachable in a lot of areas when I'm reluctantly obliged to be in the states, even though I don't like the USSA.
But smaller towns make it easier because of less tension in the air, and I've met more approachable friendly women there. Though admittedly it totally depends on the specific area, because some smaller towns (especially very small rural ones) have such a "provincial" vibe that they might distrust anyone who doesn't seem to fit the pattern locally....
I have never used those "app" things though.

Also, I'm white though. I honestly don't know what it's like being an Asian guy trying to bag white women... except for the following, which I admit it's dated because it was all from early 2000-ish (I'm a "Millennial"):

I had a bunch of Asian friends when I was a lad in my 20s (3 from Japan, 1 from Korea, 1 abnormally charismatic one from China, and also a few Asian American ones), and they could all lay white women easily.
I even had to argue with one of the Japanese ones about being a complete dick for "pumping and dumping" white chicks, because he'd lay them and then they'd come up to him smiling some other day thinking he was going to be their boyfriend, but he'd then just make mono-syllable grunting noises at them to let them know he had no further interest. So in line with Mercer's characterization of me as a "white knight cuck" and "simp," I stood up for the girls and called him on it, trying to tell him he shouldn't do that and that he was being mean to the girls, but he just opted into the Asian alpha male thing of laughing at me like I was making a joke without arguing or saying anything else, so basically brushing me off without anything more confrontational, so there was nothing I could do about it. *shrugs*
@Outcast9428 don't blame it on me, it was them that did it, not me.
The other Japanese one was a Shotokan Karate guy and was not as mean to the girls, but humorously enough he was mean to the guy I just mentioned, because he was something like 1-2 years older, so per the "big brother" culture he seemed to think he had carte blanche to bully the slightly younger one as much as he wanted and even steal his stuff.

The Korean one was even worse, but toward his Japanese girlfriends that he treated like dogs and ordered around in front of everyone, rather than pumping and dumping white girls like the Japanese one I was talking about.

The Cantonese one was really likable and charismatic though. Unusual guy. I don't think he treated women bad at all. He also could get jobs really easy because he was likable and charismatic.

Back to my observing them bagging white American women though (I never saw them go after any other types except Asian women):
The kicker is that they had nil interest in actually marrying one though, they just thought the white girls were fun in the sack and had bigger tits or whatever (generally true), but considered them too potentially independent and argumentative. Or the Japanese guys would say heart-throb stuff about the white girls, like how they supposedly didn't wash often enough, and didn't want them embarrassing them in front of their parents due to their lack of understanding of Japanese cultural etiquette. Very romantic stuff.

I don't know how all that's changed over the past 20 years, other than the obvious that all the jews, whites, and Asians are going about in the streets wearing bondage costumes and putting on women's clothing, talking about "gender fluidity" and !@#$, so you'll find me as far away from all the above groups as possible, probably in one or more of Jamaica, Grenada, Barbados, Uganda, or Kenya.

[Winston]

WilliamSmith,
Well MZ did trash me in the past because he thought that I was a deadbeat dad, which touched a nerve with him because his father wasn't there for him it seems. He's also hard on my looks too, because by western standards, I look unattractive it seems. But the more he's gotten to know me, the more he has appreciated me and my qualities. Above he was just trying to speak from the normie perspective.

MZ,
I agree about European women. They definitely do seem more socially open and friendly than American women, in my experience. However, they are white women so they will be big on looks and into lookism. More so than Asian women are. The good news is that Euro women and UK women tend to be more open to interracial dating than American white women are. That is one advantage. However, they still have to be attracted to you of course, and very few will probably be attracted to me. Though not impossible, the odds are probably not in my favor.