No p***y, no girlfriend, no wife?

[MrMan]

@MarcosZeitola

I agree with your assessment. All of the advanced Western countries and East Asian countries have already reached their peak and slowly going down. While South East Asia, Latin America, Africa, India has no problem popping out kids despite being poor.

The sad thing is society doesn't take enough actions to reverse such trends. Certainly the entitled, privileged, feminist, politically correct females does not help with the birthrate. Doesn't help if the man is married. Your wife wants to blow $50,000 on a wedding that only last a single day and the Divorce "Kangeroo" court always always r*apes the man in divorce rulings. All the Prenups are useless because the judge can declare it unfair for the women. And the cost of educating your kid is up to $200,000 from birth to university and your children has terrible Return of Investment. Because they can be swayed and brainwashed by the state and become a selfish bastard and will not help you in your retirement.

So my original question is again.. why should men work? Why should they? For the betterment of the human race? Nah bro.. your a either cannon fodder or tax slave. Better for the men to opt out, so those Filthy F*cking parasites have a taste of their own medicine.

It would be nice to eat. Do you live food stamps? What about having money to buy toilet paper? That's not food, so food stamps doesn't cover that, does it? Have you figured out how to get free rent from the state in the projects? I don't know if they let people even stay there for free. How do you buy clothes? Even Goodwill charges something.

If you aren't independently wealthy, you have to work. The last I heard, cash welfare had a time limit. And people on welfare, and some of these more permanent social programs aren't supposed to have cash over a certain amount, maybe a few thousand dollars, and aren't supposed to be able to save any money.

[MrMan]

Life is honestly very bleak nowadays. Apparantly China has this sentiment now where young people will literally proclaim they are "the final generation", taking pride in their decisions to not marry, or not reproduce even if they do. Everyone always talks about how Japan has a low birth rate but as of right now, China's birth rate of 1.16 child per woman is even lower than Japan's and about to join South Korea's dramatic numbers as it falls ridiculously rapid, more rapidly than any country in the world.

The Chinese had the one-child policy and a tradition of a man providing for parents, so a lot of the Chinese aborted away a lot of the baby girls. There are now not enough women to go around. So maybe the men stuck with no wives are saying stuff like that, protesting the situation by saying they won't reproduce.

I wonder if gender imbalance will lead to the Chinese race becoming taller and better-looking if the women go for men who are not only financially successful, but also have looks and height.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@MarcosZeitola

I agree with your assessment. All of the advanced Western countries and East Asian countries have already reached their peak and slowly going down. While South East Asia, Latin America, Africa, India has no problem popping out kids despite being poor.

The sad thing is society doesn't take enough actions to reverse such trends. Certainly the entitled, privileged, feminist, politically correct females does not help with the birthrate. Doesn't help if the man is married. Your wife wants to blow $50,000 on a wedding that only last a single day and the Divorce "Kangeroo" court always always r*apes the man in divorce rulings. All the Prenups are useless because the judge can declare it unfair for the women. And the cost of educating your kid is up to $200,000 from birth to university and your children has terrible Return of Investment. Because they can be swayed and brainwashed by the state and become a selfish bastard and will not help you in your retirement.

So my original question is again.. why should men work? Why should they? For the betterment of the human race? Nah bro.. your a either cannon fodder or tax slave. Better for the men to opt out, so those Filthy F*cking parasites have a taste of their own medicine.

It would be nice to eat. Do you live food stamps? What about having money to buy toilet paper? That's not food, so food stamps doesn't cover that, does it? Have you figured out how to get free rent from the state in the projects? I don't know if they let people even stay there for free. How do you buy clothes? Even Goodwill charges something.

If you aren't independently wealthy, you have to work. The last I heard, cash welfare had a time limit. And people on welfare, and some of these more permanent social programs aren't supposed to have cash over a certain amount, maybe a few thousand dollars, and aren't supposed to be able to save any money.

No I don't. I get what your trying to do here, but my point is that there is no incentive for men to be better or brighter than the bare minimum.
Sure, man can work or get welfare for his survival but why should he work any more harder than that if their are too many parasites such as women, society, court system, lawyers, government, etc preying on the male population? Remember it is the males who protect, maintain and produce in a Civilization. If there are too many parasites why should man produce? They should all work the bare minimum or live off welfare check or better yet save their money and move abroad to a country that appreciates them. Why the F*ck you want to be a tax slave or cannon fodder in a country that doesn't even a give a sh*t about you? I am saving my money and gtfo of U.S.A.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@MarcosZeitola

I agree with your assessment. All of the advanced Western countries and East Asian countries have already reached their peak and slowly going down. While South East Asia, Latin America, Africa, India has no problem popping out kids despite being poor.

The sad thing is society doesn't take enough actions to reverse such trends. Certainly the entitled, privileged, feminist, politically correct females does not help with the birthrate. Doesn't help if the man is married. Your wife wants to blow $50,000 on a wedding that only last a single day and the Divorce "Kangeroo" court always always r*apes the man in divorce rulings. All the Prenups are useless because the judge can declare it unfair for the women. And the cost of educating your kid is up to $200,000 from birth to university and your children has terrible Return of Investment. Because they can be swayed and brainwashed by the state and become a selfish bastard and will not help you in your retirement.

So my original question is again.. why should men work? Why should they? For the betterment of the human race? Nah bro.. your a either cannon fodder or tax slave. Better for the men to opt out, so those Filthy F*cking parasites have a taste of their own medicine.

It would be nice to eat. Do you live food stamps? What about having money to buy toilet paper? That's not food, so food stamps doesn't cover that, does it? Have you figured out how to get free rent from the state in the projects? I don't know if they let people even stay there for free. How do you buy clothes? Even Goodwill charges something.

If you aren't independently wealthy, you have to work. The last I heard, cash welfare had a time limit. And people on welfare, and some of these more permanent social programs aren't supposed to have cash over a certain amount, maybe a few thousand dollars, and aren't supposed to be able to save any money.

And so what? Do you want your taxpayer money going to Foreign Intervention in Ukraine? The U.S already spend over a $110 billion of yours and my taxpayer dollars on Ukraine and the Ukrainians are still losing. Or do you want your tax dollars to go to support Tyrone and his 15 kids and Tyrone doesn't haave to work? He gets 5000 dollars wired to his account every month while everything else is paid for. Where's the incentive?

[Moretorque]

@MarcosZeitola

I agree with your assessment. All of the advanced Western countries and East Asian countries have already reached their peak and slowly going down. While South East Asia, Latin America, Africa, India has no problem popping out kids despite being poor.

The sad thing is society doesn't take enough actions to reverse such trends. Certainly the entitled, privileged, feminist, politically correct females does not help with the birthrate. Doesn't help if the man is married. Your wife wants to blow $50,000 on a wedding that only last a single day and the Divorce "Kangeroo" court always always r*apes the man in divorce rulings. All the Prenups are useless because the judge can declare it unfair for the women. And the cost of educating your kid is up to $200,000 from birth to university and your children has terrible Return of Investment. Because they can be swayed and brainwashed by the state and become a selfish bastard and will not help you in your retirement.

So my original question is again.. why should men work? Why should they? For the betterment of the human race? Nah bro.. your a either cannon fodder or tax slave. Better for the men to opt out, so those Filthy F*cking parasites have a taste of their own medicine.

It would be nice to eat. Do you live food stamps? What about having money to buy toilet paper? That's not food, so food stamps doesn't cover that, does it? Have you figured out how to get free rent from the state in the projects? I don't know if they let people even stay there for free. How do you buy clothes? Even Goodwill charges something.

If you aren't independently wealthy, you have to work. The last I heard, cash welfare had a time limit. And people on welfare, and some of these more permanent social programs aren't supposed to have cash over a certain amount, maybe a few thousand dollars, and aren't supposed to be able to save any money.

And so what? Do you want your taxpayer money going to Foreign Intervention in Ukraine? The U.S already spend over a $110 billion of yours and my taxpayer dollars on Ukraine and the Ukrainians are still losing. Or do you want your tax dollars to go to support Tyrone and his 15 kids and Tyrone doesn't haave to work? He gets 5000 dollars wired to his account every month while everything else is paid for. Where's the incentive?

This is where the real problem is, our rulers are very clever. You see we all signed up for this at birth when our parents signed the birth certificates. Read the fine print and be careful with your signature. The creditors run the world with nothing more than a pen and supply of #'s. What does the US constitution say about money? No state shall make anything other than gold or silver for payment, we have been economically over thrown and so has the world. No one understands how to run a solvent country. When was the last time any of these countries ran surpluses? The charter to do what is going on was granted to England's bankers in 1694 so they feel the system of issuing bills of credit out of thin air belongs to them and them only. They do not want you to understand debt free credit money is the answer and that is why they rule the world with it but it's the money supply of fascist and that is why they love it and you can see they have conquered all of us with it plus interest. The colonist were issuing interest free money and doing a mathematically perfected economy with it to run the early US colonies and that is why England declared war on the US and it's also why they killed Lincoln for issuing Green Backs to do his Fascist Civil war! I give up on this, money rules the world and practically all are idiots because they do not understand money. !

[Whale or Pattaya]

When you work the 9-5 slog you know It's just not worth it when you hit about 28-30yo. It's a lose-lose situation. At the end you lose it all. It was a huge mistake thinking that if you work hard, keep in shape, be sociable, that'll you'll get a loyal non-fat wife. You won't! I have peace of mind, now.

I knew one guy that got a degree in graphic design but couldn't find employment. He was an expert in Photoshop and Illustrator Adobe software, yet he said most of his female graduate classmates were nowhere near on his level, pretty inept with computers apart from basic stuff, yet they managed to get nice starter Graphic Design starter jobs in trendy studios within months of graduation. The discrimination against the white middle/working class male is quite apparent here. These industries favor young impressionable women over ugly or average men. Its 'masked eugenics' at work.

He went freelance but was earning peanuts similar to a minimum wage job working in McDonalds. He then worked full time in a carbon fibre molding warehouse for 10 years (25-35) before buying his first 3 bedroom house (£150'000). He then put that house on the rental market and moved to Bulgaria where he now rents a cheap apartment for £60 per week and works 15hrs a week as a waiter. So he gets £1100 per month from renting that house in the UK wired to him, while earning probably £100 a week in Bulgaria. Considering the average yearly wage in Bulgaria is about £8000 per year, that £13'000 he gets a year from renting a home in the UK isn't a bad idea (but he still has to come back to the UK every 4 months or so). He also got a GF in Bulgaria.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@MarcosZeitola

I agree with your assessment. All of the advanced Western countries and East Asian countries have already reached their peak and slowly going down. While South East Asia, Latin America, Africa, India has no problem popping out kids despite being poor.

The sad thing is society doesn't take enough actions to reverse such trends. Certainly the entitled, privileged, feminist, politically correct females does not help with the birthrate. Doesn't help if the man is married. Your wife wants to blow $50,000 on a wedding that only last a single day and the Divorce "Kangeroo" court always always r*apes the man in divorce rulings. All the Prenups are useless because the judge can declare it unfair for the women. And the cost of educating your kid is up to $200,000 from birth to university and your children has terrible Return of Investment. Because they can be swayed and brainwashed by the state and become a selfish bastard and will not help you in your retirement.

So my original question is again.. why should men work? Why should they? For the betterment of the human race? Nah bro.. your a either cannon fodder or tax slave. Better for the men to opt out, so those Filthy F*cking parasites have a taste of their own medicine.

It would be nice to eat. Do you live food stamps? What about having money to buy toilet paper? That's not food, so food stamps doesn't cover that, does it? Have you figured out how to get free rent from the state in the projects? I don't know if they let people even stay there for free. How do you buy clothes? Even Goodwill charges something.

If you aren't independently wealthy, you have to work. The last I heard, cash welfare had a time limit. And people on welfare, and some of these more permanent social programs aren't supposed to have cash over a certain amount, maybe a few thousand dollars, and aren't supposed to be able to save any money.

And so what? Do you want your taxpayer money going to Foreign Intervention in Ukraine? The U.S already spend over a $110 billion of yours and my taxpayer dollars on Ukraine and the Ukrainians are still losing. Or do you want your tax dollars to go to support Tyrone and his 15 kids and Tyrone doesn't haave to work? He gets 5000 dollars wired to his account every month while everything else is paid for. Where's the incentive?

This is where the real problem is, our rulers are very clever. You see we all signed up for this at birth when our parents signed the birth certificates. Read the fine print and be careful with your signature. The creditors run the world with nothing more than a pen and supply of #'s. What does the US constitution say about money? No state shall make anything other than gold or silver for payment, we have been economically over thrown and so has the world. No one understands how to run a solvent country. When was the last time any of these countries ran surpluses? The charter to do what is going on was granted to England's bankers in 1694 so they feel the system of issuing bills of credit out of thin air belongs to them and them only. They do not want you to understand debt free credit money is the answer and that is why they rule the world with it but it's the money supply of fascist and that is why they love it and you can see they have conquered all of us with it plus interest. The colonist were issuing interest free money and doing a mathematically perfected economy with it to run the early US colonies and that is why England declared war on the US and it's also why they killed Lincoln for issuing Green Backs to do his Fascist Civil war! I give up on this, money rules the world and practically all are idiots because they do not understand money. !

Amen to that. Most of the masses are financially illiterates and they don't realize they can't get out of the debt. Because of every 100 dollar printed by the federal reserve, additional 5 dollars will be charged as interest. In order for the government to pay that principal plus the interest of $105, they need to print out 105 dollars but then again, the interest charge for the 105 dollar appears out of thin air. So they have to continue printing out more money, so on and so forth! until the entire economy implode and those shadowy group of bankers will get all the interest charges coming from the income tax that the IRS collects! Now multiply 100 dollars and the interest charge by a billion. You will see what I am talking about.

Your right, the U.S colonists exchanged in "scrips" and they were trying to get out of Bank of England's influence.. however the bankers have infiltrated the U.S government and made Woodrow Wilson sign the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. The Federal Reserve is privately owned by god knows who and it has been nothing but trouble and caused all the depressions and inflations for the past 100 years.
Then the U.S got off the gold standard.. and adopted fiat currency in the 70's. Only the most wealthy and the U.S government hold physical gold and silver. The Masses don't have any gold and silver. They have no real buying power.

[HouseMD]

No work or labor.

No contribution or participation within society.

Men opting out of society going on strike everywhere.

Based. Leaves plenty of women for the rest of us that actually do something with ourselves

[MrMan]

@MarcosZeitola

I agree with your assessment. All of the advanced Western countries and East Asian countries have already reached their peak and slowly going down. While South East Asia, Latin America, Africa, India has no problem popping out kids despite being poor.

The sad thing is society doesn't take enough actions to reverse such trends. Certainly the entitled, privileged, feminist, politically correct females does not help with the birthrate. Doesn't help if the man is married. Your wife wants to blow $50,000 on a wedding that only last a single day and the Divorce "Kangeroo" court always always r*apes the man in divorce rulings. All the Prenups are useless because the judge can declare it unfair for the women. And the cost of educating your kid is up to $200,000 from birth to university and your children has terrible Return of Investment. Because they can be swayed and brainwashed by the state and become a selfish bastard and will not help you in your retirement.

So my original question is again.. why should men work? Why should they? For the betterment of the human race? Nah bro.. your a either cannon fodder or tax slave. Better for the men to opt out, so those Filthy F*cking parasites have a taste of their own medicine.

It would be nice to eat. Do you live food stamps? What about having money to buy toilet paper? That's not food, so food stamps doesn't cover that, does it? Have you figured out how to get free rent from the state in the projects? I don't know if they let people even stay there for free. How do you buy clothes? Even Goodwill charges something.

If you aren't independently wealthy, you have to work. The last I heard, cash welfare had a time limit. And people on welfare, and some of these more permanent social programs aren't supposed to have cash over a certain amount, maybe a few thousand dollars, and aren't supposed to be able to save any money.

No I don't. I get what your trying to do here, but my point is that there is no incentive for men to be better or brighter than the bare minimum.
Sure, man can work or get welfare for his survival but why should he work any more harder than that if their are too many parasites such as women, society, court system, lawyers, government, etc preying on the male population? Remember it is the males who protect, maintain and produce in a Civilization. If there are too many parasites why should man produce? They should all work the bare minimum or live off welfare check or better yet save their money and move abroad to a country that appreciates them. Why the F*ck you want to be a tax slave or cannon fodder in a country that doesn't even a give a sh*t about you? I am saving my money and gtfo of U.S.A.

Why? I've got a wife and kids to support. I need money for food, clothing, housing, and transportation. I put a lot of time into my education and I spend a lot of time on my work, and now I own a home. I have excess funds to invest or give to what I want to give to.

Why should I let those factors... some women out there being parasites or lawyers trying to sue people... distract me from living my life. That doesn't make any sense. If the government wants to tax me, that doesn't mean I want to work at McDonald's part-time for the rest of my life and live in a crummy unsafe neighborhood.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@MrMan

I am happy for you and I am glad your doing quite well. I don't judge. My situation is different. I am single guy and has no family to look forward to. So we both have a different perspective.

As you know, America is the most litigiousness society in the planet. Over 1.3million people are lawyers and law firms make billions of off litigations. Somebody have to feed them..

I think you misunderstood me here. I am not telling people to work at Mcdonalds for the rest of their lives. I am telling people they don't have to "kill themselves" to get up in the corporate ladder and they should just work enough to make savings and get out of America and move to a country that still appreciates men and not tax them heavily.

The cost of living in America is also crazy. You get the payroll tax, income tax, sales tax, fees for vehicle registration renewal, fee for insurance, fees for healthcare, high rent, property tax, etc. Yet we don't get what we paid for. The ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) have given American Infrastructure a rating of "D". So where is all the money going?

And as I have mentioned before, marriage is not worth it because it is too expensive and 70% of the divorces are initiated by women and the divorce court will ALWAYS take side of women instead of men. Your prenups are worth less than toilet paper in Court.

And as I have mentioned before, All those foreign boondoggles from U.S government such as Ukraine and what they did in Afghanistan two years ago...Giving all those weapons to the Taliban and having the Taliban rule Afghanistan. And the occupation of Iraq. Trillions of dollars wasted on a piece of desert land. Total waste of our taxpayers money.

And another scary thing is that there are 65 million people on some form of welfare according to the Social Security Administration in 2021. Imagine that.. how much they siphon off of healthy young American working population?

So my original question is why should men bother? Why should they?

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

No work or labor.

No contribution or participation within society.

Men opting out of society going on strike everywhere.

Based. Leaves plenty of women for the rest of us that actually do something with ourselves

Go right ahead. They are all yours.

[Moretorque]

@MarcosZeitola

I agree with your assessment. All of the advanced Western countries and East Asian countries have already reached their peak and slowly going down. While South East Asia, Latin America, Africa, India has no problem popping out kids despite being poor.

The sad thing is society doesn't take enough actions to reverse such trends. Certainly the entitled, privileged, feminist, politically correct females does not help with the birthrate. Doesn't help if the man is married. Your wife wants to blow $50,000 on a wedding that only last a single day and the Divorce "Kangeroo" court always always r*apes the man in divorce rulings. All the Prenups are useless because the judge can declare it unfair for the women. And the cost of educating your kid is up to $200,000 from birth to university and your children has terrible Return of Investment. Because they can be swayed and brainwashed by the state and become a selfish bastard and will not help you in your retirement.

So my original question is again.. why should men work? Why should they? For the betterment of the human race? Nah bro.. your a either cannon fodder or tax slave. Better for the men to opt out, so those Filthy F*cking parasites have a taste of their own medicine.

It would be nice to eat. Do you live food stamps? What about having money to buy toilet paper? That's not food, so food stamps doesn't cover that, does it? Have you figured out how to get free rent from the state in the projects? I don't know if they let people even stay there for free. How do you buy clothes? Even Goodwill charges something.

If you aren't independently wealthy, you have to work. The last I heard, cash welfare had a time limit. And people on welfare, and some of these more permanent social programs aren't supposed to have cash over a certain amount, maybe a few thousand dollars, and aren't supposed to be able to save any money.

And so what? Do you want your taxpayer money going to Foreign Intervention in Ukraine? The U.S already spend over a $110 billion of yours and my taxpayer dollars on Ukraine and the Ukrainians are still losing. Or do you want your tax dollars to go to support Tyrone and his 15 kids and Tyrone doesn't haave to work? He gets 5000 dollars wired to his account every month while everything else is paid for. Where's the incentive?

This is where the real problem is, our rulers are very clever. You see we all signed up for this at birth when our parents signed the birth certificates. Read the fine print and be careful with your signature. The creditors run the world with nothing more than a pen and supply of #'s. What does the US constitution say about money? No state shall make anything other than gold or silver for payment, we have been economically over thrown and so has the world. No one understands how to run a solvent country. When was the last time any of these countries ran surpluses? The charter to do what is going on was granted to England's bankers in 1694 so they feel the system of issuing bills of credit out of thin air belongs to them and them only. They do not want you to understand debt free credit money is the answer and that is why they rule the world with it but it's the money supply of fascist and that is why they love it and you can see they have conquered all of us with it plus interest. The colonist were issuing interest free money and doing a mathematically perfected economy with it to run the early US colonies and that is why England declared war on the US and it's also why they killed Lincoln for issuing Green Backs to do his Fascist Civil war! I give up on this, money rules the world and practically all are idiots because they do not understand money. !

Amen to that. Most of the masses are financially illiterates and they don't realize they can't get out of the debt. Because of every 100 dollar printed by the federal reserve, additional 5 dollars will be charged as interest. In order for the government to pay that principal plus the interest of $105, they need to print out 105 dollars but then again, the interest charge for the 105 dollar appears out of thin air. So they have to continue printing out more money, so on and so forth! until the entire economy implode and those shadowy group of bankers will get all the interest charges coming from the income tax that the IRS collects! Now multiply 100 dollars and the interest charge by a billion. You will see what I am talking about.

Your right, the U.S colonists exchanged in "scrips" and they were trying to get out of Bank of England's influence.. however the bankers have infiltrated the U.S government and made Woodrow Wilson sign the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. The Federal Reserve is privately owned by god knows who and it has been nothing but trouble and caused all the depressions and inflations for the past 100 years.
Then the U.S got off the gold standard.. and adopted fiat currency in the 70's. Only the most wealthy and the U.S government hold physical gold and silver. The Masses don't have any gold and silver. They have no real buying power.

House MD just chimed in, you want to learn something follow him. It goes something like this....Take the clot shot, suck the bankers cock, it will all work out in the end..

[MrMan]

@MrMan

I am happy for you and I am glad your doing quite well. I don't judge. My situation is different. I am single guy and has no family to look forward to. So we both have a different perspective.

As you know, America is the most litigiousness society in the planet. Over 1.3million people are lawyers and law firms make billions of off litigations. Somebody have to feed them..

Have you ever been sued? I haven't.

I think you misunderstood me here. I am not telling people to work at McDonald's for the rest of their lives. I am telling people they don't have to "kill themselves" to get up in the corporate ladder and they should just work enough to make savings and get out of America and move to a country that still appreciates men and not tax them heavily.

We all need to find a good work-life balance. I did work a corporate job where I got to work around 7:30 or 7:45 and I felt bad leaving too often before 6 or 6:30 because other people were still working. But this was in Jakarta, not the US.

I have a good job now. The hours are flexible. I don't have to be in the office 40 hours a week, and I can work partly from home. But I put in a lot of time getting a doctorate that enabled me to have this job. I had a similar job in Indonesia, but with much less job security, lower rank, and they had me clocking in. I had a cubicle there instead of my own sizeable office. They had me working maybe 50+ hours a week there for the same sort of job, loaded me down with maybe double the workload. One week I had to put in 70+ hours for a project. I did get to go to Australia for a training and California to make a presentation, though, when I worked in Jakarta last time

Indonesia's tax rate is 25% for those making US-level wages. For those doing business, Value Added Tax suck money out of business.

The cost of living in America is also crazy. You get the payroll tax, income tax, sales tax, fees for vehicle registration renewal, fee for insurance, fees for healthcare, high rent, property tax, etc. Yet we don't get what we paid for. The ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) have given American Infrastructure a rating of "D". So where is all the money going?

There are costs of living everywhere, but I agree the US is expensive. There are places with lower rent, btw. What country gets an A for infrastructure? What does the D mean? Are they grading the US on its lack of public transportation?

And as I have mentioned before, marriage is not worth it because it is too expensive and 70% of the divorces are initiated by women and the divorce court will ALWAYS take side of women instead of men. Your prenups are worth less than toilet paper in Court.

The last I read, about half of marriages stay together. The divorce rate is inflated by those who get married and divorced more than once. If 70% of divorces are initiated by women, why is that the relevant figure? Some of those cases may be passive men saying to the woman, "you file the paperwork, dear." I agree the divorce rate is terrible, but there are women who stay with their husbands, so if a man wants to marry he can find a woman like that.

I met my wife in Indonesia, btw, and the divorce rate is lower there, even though it has been on the rise somewhat.

The type of woman who would stay with a man would likely be deeply offended by the suggestion of signing a prenup... at least for a first marriage with no children. It makes sense to have a prenup if a widow or widower with children wants to get married. If you work and save up a bunch of money and want to pass it on to your children, then your wife dies, and you remarry, she can take all the money, or she and her children get it, and the first batch of kids could get nothing. So a prenup makes financial sense in a case like that. And if she's been a faithful widow, wasn't the cause of her husband's death, etc. then its not like marrying a divorced woman.

And as I have mentioned before, All those foreign boondoggles from U.S government such as Ukraine and what they did in Afghanistan two years ago...Giving all those weapons to the Taliban and having the Taliban rule Afghanistan. And the occupation of Iraq. Trillions of dollars wasted on a piece of desert land. Total waste of our taxpayers money.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to get good jobs.

There are advantages to living in the US. If you live outside of a big city, you live without spending an incredible amount of time in traffic. I have a 40 minute commute because I want to live in a certain county and I only have to drive in to work two or three days a week for physical meetings, but rarely do I face any serious traffic. In some places in Asia, most expat type jobs are in huge cities where the traffic is bad, especially Jakarta, where I speak the language and have most of my expat experience.

In Asia, the malls are in the city. The US has fairly even development with reasonable shopping in small towns. In Jakarta, going out for dinner could take a very long time, just getting through traffic. My wife could burn a day going shopping to come home and cook something. Here, she just drives to the supermarket and there is actually a place to park. She doesn't have to wait for hours to go a mile up the road. The air is reasonably clean. Electricity is fairly cheap in the US. Houses come equipped with dishwashers, washing machines, and refrigerators.

If you buy something and it breaks or you just don't like it, in the US, the store takes it back. The consumer system is set up to be easy, fast, and convenience. It has slowed down since the boomers retired in mass during Covid, but it's still reasonably okay, unlike some other countries.

What I'm saying is that the US isn't all bad for standard of living. Prices are shooting up, but that is happening in other countries, too. If you want to go abroad, fine. But it doesn't make sense that men in the US should give up on life or earning a living.

And another scary thing is that there are 65 million people on some form of welfare according to the Social Security Administration in 2021. Imagine that.. how much they siphon off of healthy young American working population?

That is very concerning.

So my original question is why should men bother? Why should they?

So they can live decent productive lives. If you want to go overseas, fine. But a lot of countries don't make it easy for foreigners to work there. And cheap countries tend to have cheap wages. High paid expats typically have a lot of work experience in the field in their home country. Many years of work experience may be required to classify someone as an expert worker to get a work visa in a foreign country. Those with degrees and/or training in the field of ESL may be able to get jobs in that field, but it isn't the best-paying field. If you have lots of money, you may be able to invest in a business in another country.

[peregrino]

What I'm saying is that the US isn't all bad for standard of living. Prices are shooting up, but that is happening in other countries, too. If you want to go abroad, fine. But it doesn't make sense that men in the US should give up on life or earning a living.

Well it all comes back to: What’s the point of earning a living in the US when dating life is massively stacked you or nonexistent?

[HouseMD]

No work or labor.

No contribution or participation within society.

Men opting out of society going on strike everywhere.

Based. Leaves plenty of women for the rest of us that actually do something with ourselves

Rare is the guy that has literally model good looks. My body count is pretty decent considering the fact that I've spent 90% of my adult life in committed relationships and I don't engage in any p4p like some of the people here. It's many times higher than the average, and it's not by virtue of my looks or money at the time, let me tell you. It's also just something I did when I was young and stupid and not something I'm particularly proud of. Biology is what it is, I guess.

I still get plenty of attention, but virtue of the things that always drew women to me. I'm funny, exciting, and always doing and saying the unexpected I'm a way that comes off as fun and endearing. I also don't put up with anyone's shit, and the moments where I have saved people's asses seem to make women feel safe and interested enough to approach. All that being said, even if my wife is fine with me getting some action on the side, I'm a one woman kind of man these days. Eventually you've done all the stuff you want to do, and you realize that love and connection is what really matters. Any play on the side can only risk what's actually important or lead to bringing home STDs that will make your life harder.