Do We Really Need Public Schools?

[Outcast9428]

I don't know why but I've been thinking about this a lot today. I remember back when I was a little kid, I used to hate school, and I would say things like "I don't understand why we need schools? Why can't we just work normal jobs like adults do?" People usually explained it away by saying "you'll understand when you get older." Well, I'm a full blown adult of 25 years old now, and I still don't feel like we really need public education. Or at the very least, the scale of it needs to dialed back significantly. People also told me "oh wait until you're in the workforce, you'll appreciate school then." Again, been in the workforce full time for about 3 years now. I still don't appreciate school at all. K-12 education wastes just as much of your day away as a full time job does when you combine classroom time and homework together. US public schools require people to be in class for 6 hours a day and then they usually get two hours of homework on top of that. That's a full time job. The problem is, unlike a full time job, you don't get paid a penny for it. And once you go to college, you're not just working for no money, you are actually paying to be miserable for four years. Can you believe that our society actually expects people to work either full time hours or close to full time hours for 17 years without being paid at all? School feels like prison when you are there. You can't leave the building, you can't even leave the room you're expected to be in without permission from your teacher. You have to wake up excruciatingly early in the morning. Our country actually requires teenagers, who biologically want to go to bed late and sleep in late, to wake up earlier then most old people do.

And on top of all this misery... Nobody even seems to be learning anything. Low IQ people don't even try, they usually ditch class or don't show up at all. Average IQ people do the bare minimum to pass by, temporarily memorizing what they have to and then dumping the information. If you are highly intelligent, you probably know much more advanced information then school is teaching you anyway because you self-taught yourself so much of what you know. At that point school feels like a waste of time because its teaching you shit you already know. The only people who really seem to thrive in and enjoy school are slightly above average IQ people who's IQ ranges from like 110-120 because they aren't really smart enough to teach themselves what they need to know but they're smart enough that they surpass their peers in school. Virtually nobody that I talk to though seems to draw upon any skills they learned in school. I'd argue that I've learned much more in the three years since I've graduated college then I actually learned in college. I've read more non-fiction books too. Ironically I study more now then I did when I was in school because when I actually did go to school I was so burnt out at the end of the day I just wanted to sleep or watch anime.

How many hundreds of billions of dollars are flushed down the toilet every year to educate a population that doesn't want to be educated? As for the argument that school provides social opportunities... It really doesn't... Because school environments tend to produce toxic student cultures with completely ass-backward values that people are bullied for not following. Schools are hotbeds for liberal and leftist indoctrination. And on top of that, they infantilize young adults and keep them in an immature state of mind for much longer then is healthy for them. School basically teaches people to behave like kids until they are like 22 years old. On top of all that, an excessive focus on school is hurting a lot of young adults' dating lives. There are too many parents out there who literally teach their kids not to focus on dating or relationships because "they should be focusing on their studies" instead... Why the hell should young adults "focus on their studies?" I can't think of a bigger waste of time then focusing on learning information that is completely irrelevant to the average person such as algebra or what makes up a molecule. You can learn that shit whenever you want. But good relationships are scarce and hard to come by. I'd rather my son or daughter put their efforts towards deepening an important relationship then study useless information all day.

To me, public schools just seem like glorified daycare facilities and we'd probably be better off as a society scraping public schools, having kids be homeschooled by their mothers, and eventually taught job skills either by their father or by apprenticeships. And let kids start working when they are 15 or 16, save their money up early so they don't have to wait until they are 30 years old to get a house and start a family because so much of their life was wasted getting "educated."

[Lucas88]

I believe that the mandatory school system is terribly inefficient. In my country it consists of 11 years of regurgitating mostly useless information which pupils typically "cram" at the last minute just to pass standardized exams without understanding the material on a deeper level. Naturally most of the information is forgotten.

I remember having to study all kinds of irrelevant crap in secondary school. I had to practice algebra (which is actually used in certain fields like videogame design or so I am told) but ended up forgetting it since none of it seemed relevant at the time. I had to read Emily Brontë and other esteemed authors in English class but don't even remember what their novels were about because the classes were so boring. I even had to read obscure Caribbean and Indo-British poetry for the sake of "diversity". Then I was made to learn French even though I didn't give a shit about the language and always wanted to learn Spanish. I even studied the basic tenets of the various world religions as part of the RE curriculum. Lol! Man, I had to learn so much crap in secondary school.

I too learned so much more outside of school as soon as I discovered my own passion for learning. First, I reached level C1 (advanced) in Spanish with a year and half of self-study. Then I moved onto Japanese. I vastly improved my own quality of writing in English through extensive reading and practice (school never taught us correct grammar). Then I learned a lot about the likes of philosophy, religion and occultism on my own. Probably more than 90% of what I know I learned outside of school and through enthusiastic self-study.

In my view, mandatory school should be condensed into a small number of key skills such as basic literacy, numeracy, logic, critical thinking, information technology, etc.

I think that the mandatory school system is most likely a relic of the pre-internet age. Nowadays with the internet people can learn just about anything they want online.

More advanced subjects beyond the basics should be available to study as completely optional and voluntary courses for those who are genuinely interested, maybe in more of a community-college setting. They shouldn't be forced upon everyone as part of a universal curriculum. That way academically oriented people could choose to study areas that interest them while others could pursue more practical/vocational courses that would benefit their own goals.

I actually like the UK's sixth form college system (ages 16-18). In contrast to US highschool, UK sixth form allows students to choose three or four subjects that they actually have interest in including vocational courses and then focus exclusively on those. US highschool seems a lot more bloated and affords less freedom or at least it appears that way to me.

Secondary school wasn't that bad for me. Even though I was a bit of a misfit, I still had @Pixel--Dude and a few other good friends and we had all kinds of adventures. I fondly remember those days. I remember them fondly precisely because I didn't take school seriously and only cared about having fun (I still got decent grades for the most part without even trying)!

I didn't get bullied much after a certain point either. I began lifting weights and learning Jiujitsu (i.e., BJJ) and then after that not even any of the nastiest bullies would even dare mess with me!

At my school most people experienced good dating lives. One French teacher at my school once joked that the pupils did more dating than studying. Even I managed to get laid in the final year of secondary school. After failing to find an escort that summer during the family vacation in Puerto Rico (Puerto Rico, Gran Canaria; not PR in the Caribbean), I proposed to lose my virginity in the year of school that remained and made that my goal. I didn't want to leave school as a virgin. In the fall of that same year I managed to befriend one of the classroom hoes from my science class and knocked the back out of her down the woods after a drunken party. I was 15 at the time and soon learned what girls were for!

But then just a year later my world would be turned upside down. I started to feel really out of place in the UK and began to intuit that I had to go abroad. I've always been a HA'er at heart, even before I discovered this website.

[WanderingProtagonist]

I voted that schools make society worse. I don't perceive many people who are "educated" as particularly intelligent anyway. I've said before that many people are ignorant as f**k, regardless of whether they are educated or not. And ignorance is the cornerstone of stupidity.

What makes me laugh is that people who are educated with degrees and A levels and all the rest of it look down on people with no qualifications as if they are stupid when both are equally stupid living ignorant lives where they can't think for themselves.

What makes someone intelligent are things like insatiable curiosity, skepticism, open-mindedness and also the ability to understand just how much one doesn't actually know. Another key trait of an intellectual thinker is someone who is sensitive to the experiences of others. Without this key trait one can lack empathy and understanding and can become grounded in ignorance!

The current education system is not about creating intelligent individuals who are keen to learn as the illusion is presented. It's about creating compliant individuals who can follow orders and spend their entire adult lives obeying authority and being told what and how to think. An intelligent individual breaks the mold and rebels against this system. An intelligent individual cares about the wellbeing of everyone in society and isn't satisfied to live their life as a compliant debt slave to some corporation. Such an existence is meaningless and soulless!

Children are curious by nature. I think the modern education system, where kids are constantly told to sit down and shut up and fold their arms and sit up straight etc, is more a nefarious slave programme to ensure as many people do as they are told and do not question the status quo. Any child who doesn't follow orders is accused of being a problem and drugged up on ritalin or whatever other drugs these assholes want to sedate rebellious kids with.

This system in its entirety is f***ing evil! It has to be destroyed and overturned. The hegemony has to be torn down brick by f***ing brick and all the slave masters should be strung up and murdered for their crimes against humanity! This is why we need a warrior ethos! To fight these evil bastards and destroy them so that one day our lineage might be able to enjoy natural lives which aren't plagued with depression and anxiety caused by this system and by these evil corporate monsters that control the world!

@Lucas88
@Outcast9428

Some of this is incorrect because I'm sure a lot of people who didn't discipline their kids are the same people who raised a bunch of assholes who already do wtf they want by default. Schools don't necessarily make society worse, Western schools in their current form do. How did schools in the pioneer days make society worse? It didn't. Schools vary from country to country and yes some schools do help benefit people. I mean would you let someone perform open heart surgery on you with no educational background on the practice? I sure as hell wouldn't. I don't know what schools you went to, but my school was great in the 90s, as were all my teachers. When I couldn't read worth for shit, I had a Chinese teacher that cared enough to help me. None of my teachers were guilty of any brainwashing either, and this was in California the most leftist state in the U.S. next to NY.

It wasn't until I went to college that I experienced all the liberalism stuff and simply couldn't fit in. But Elementary, and Kindergarden, were the best damn years of my youth. Jr High was a hit or miss, and highschool had it's ups and downs due to the bullies I had to face who ended up in prison because one of them became a murderer. School isn't all bad, it depends on what schools people end up going to. Schools in America today is shit compared to what they were when I was going. My teachers really gave a f**k back then, they would even take us to the library to pick out books to read, and while I can understand why they must discipline kids.

I mean you can't have kids being unruly and just doing whatever they want, not even a good parent would do that unless you like the idea of your kid running shit in the house. My cousin owns many daycare centers and I remember being a teachers aid in one of them, you best believe I didn't let kids run the classroom, and the boys respected me. There were teachers that did that and it was chaos, the kids didn't respect them because they lacked authority, you would have kids fighting, and tearing the classroom up, doing whatever they wanted because the teachers couldn't keep them in line. I would show up and the classroom would have kids drawing all over the walls and everything.

You can't run a preschool with kids being out of control like that. It also showed who was the boss in their household, and it wasn't their parents. I remember one kid telling me "My dad has to listen to my mom and do whatever she says." I just looked at him speechless cause I had no idea how to respond to that. Because I'm thinking he has no authority in his house, it's either the kid that calls the shots or it's the woman/mother. I dont know about anyone else but I would hate to be a parent raising a rebellious child. I had friends like that growing up that disrespected their parents, told their mom or dad to shut the f**k up. And I hated hearing them tlak that way to their parents just because they didn't want to take orders from their mother or father.

This white kid I knew would run away often, get up in his mom and dads face like he owned the house when they were the ones paying the f***ing bills.I would never talk to my mom like that, she would put my ass in my place instantly if I ever did and make me learn what respect is. She use to whoop my ass all the time, and my brothers ass too. But we still love and respected our mother regardless of the beat downs. Some kids they grow up hating their parents and just assume that everything discipline related equates to some form of abuse. Even the teachers down south where my mother and uncles all went to school use to whoop their asses. My uncles got their asses kicked by their teachers quite often but nobody in my family grew up hating their teacher for how they were disciplined in school.

Anyway I don't know, things were generally a lot better back when I was going to school, I never felt brainwashed or anything because my teachers didn't do anything of the sort. School is only beneficial if the people attending make it beneficial and the teachers really care enough to help.
The West today is more about world dominance. So going to school now is more like controlling the masses so those at the very top can do whatever they want to a defenseless, crippled, and weaken, beat down nation full of compliant individuals that do everything the gov says even when they clearly know it's wrong anyways.

The education system wasn't always so bad, it's only like that now but in the 90s, and even the early 2000s all that you see happening in schools today wasn't when I was going, no one ever promoted LBGTQ stuff in any of my classes. And there were a lot less gay, trans, LBGTQ students back then too unlike now where everybody is just trying to be trendy with the shit.

[fschmidt]

Talking about public schools in modern culture is irrelevant. Modern culture should simply be exterminated. The question is whether a good culture should have publicly funded schools. And I say yes because all children should learn the basics of reading, writing, and math.

[Outcast9428]

I voted that schools make society worse. I don't perceive many people who are "educated" as particularly intelligent anyway. I've said before that many people are ignorant as f**k, regardless of whether they are educated or not. And ignorance is the cornerstone of stupidity.

What makes me laugh is that people who are educated with degrees and A levels and all the rest of it look down on people with no qualifications as if they are stupid when both are equally stupid living ignorant lives where they can't think for themselves.

What makes someone intelligent are things like insatiable curiosity, skepticism, open-mindedness and also the ability to understand just how much one doesn't actually know. Another key trait of an intellectual thinker is someone who is sensitive to the experiences of others. Without this key trait one can lack empathy and understanding and can become grounded in ignorance!

The current education system is not about creating intelligent individuals who are keen to learn as the illusion is presented. It's about creating compliant individuals who can follow orders and spend their entire adult lives obeying authority and being told what and how to think. An intelligent individual breaks the mold and rebels against this system. An intelligent individual cares about the wellbeing of everyone in society and isn't satisfied to live their life as a compliant debt slave to some corporation. Such an existence is meaningless and soulless!

Children are curious by nature. I think the modern education system, where kids are constantly told to sit down and shut up and fold their arms and sit up straight etc, is more a nefarious slave programme to ensure as many people do as they are told and do not question the status quo. Any child who doesn't follow orders is accused of being a problem and drugged up on ritalin or whatever other drugs these assholes want to sedate rebellious kids with.

This system in its entirety is f***ing evil! It has to be destroyed and overturned. The hegemony has to be torn down brick by f***ing brick and all the slave masters should be strung up and murdered for their crimes against humanity! This is why we need a warrior ethos! To fight these evil bastards and destroy them so that one day our lineage might be able to enjoy natural lives which aren't plagued with depression and anxiety caused by this system and by these evil corporate monsters that control the world!

@Lucas88
@Outcast9428

Some of this is incorrect because I'm sure a lot of people who didn't discipline their kids are the same people who raised a bunch of assholes who already do wtf they want by default. Schools don't necessarily make society worse, Western schools in their current form do. How did schools in the pioneer days make society worse? It didn't. Schools vary from country to country and yes some schools do help benefit people. I mean would you let someone perform open heart surgery on you with no educational background on the practice? I sure as hell wouldn't. I don't know what schools you went to, but my school was great in the 90s, as were all my teachers. When I couldn't read worth for shit, I had a Chinese teacher that cared enough to help me. None of my teachers were guilty of any brainwashing either, and this was in California the most leftist state in the U.S. next to NY.

It wasn't until I went to college that I experienced all the liberalism stuff and simply couldn't fit in. But Elementary, and Kindergarden, were the best damn years of my youth. Jr High was a hit or miss, and highschool had it's ups and downs due to the bullies I had to face who ended up in prison because one of them became a murderer. School isn't all bad, it depends on what schools people end up going to. Schools in America today is shit compared to what they were when I was going. My teachers really gave a f**k back then, they would even take us to the library to pick out books to read, and while I can understand why they must discipline kids.

I mean you can't have kids being unruly and just doing whatever they want, not even a good parent would do that unless you like the idea of your kid running shit in the house. My cousin owns many daycare centers and I remember being a teachers aid in one of them, you best believe I didn't let kids run the classroom, and the boys respected me. There were teachers that did that and it was chaos, the kids didn't respect them because they lacked authority, you would have kids fighting, and tearing the classroom up, doing whatever they wanted because the teachers couldn't keep them in line. I would show up and the classroom would have kids drawing all over the walls and everything.

You can't run a preschool with kids being out of control like that. It also showed who was the boss in their household, and it wasn't their parents. I remember one kid telling me "My dad has to listen to my mom and do whatever she says." I just looked at him speechless cause I had no idea how to respond to that. Because I'm thinking he has no authority in his house, it's either the kid that calls the shots or it's the woman/mother. I dont know about anyone else but I would hate to be a parent raising a rebellious child. I had friends like that growing up that disrespected their parents, told their mom or dad to shut the f**k up. And I hated hearing them tlak that way to their parents just because they didn't want to take orders from their mother or father.

This white kid I knew would run away often, get up in his mom and dads face like he owned the house when they were the ones paying the f***ing bills.I would never talk to my mom like that, she would put my ass in my place instantly if I ever did and make me learn what respect is. She use to whoop my ass all the time, and my brothers ass too. But we still love and respected our mother regardless of the beat downs. Some kids they grow up hating their parents and just assume that everything discipline related equates to some form of abuse. Even the teachers down south where my mother and uncles all went to school use to whoop their asses. My uncles got their asses kicked by their teachers quite often but nobody in my family grew up hating their teacher for how they were disciplined in school.

Anyway I don't know, things were generally a lot better back when I was going to school, I never felt brainwashed or anything because my teachers didn't do anything of the sort. School is only beneficial if the people attending make it beneficial and the teachers really care enough to help.
The West today is more about world dominance. So going to school now is more like controlling the masses so those at the very top can do whatever they want to a defenseless, crippled, and weaken, beat down nation full of compliant individuals that do everything the gov says even when they clearly know it's wrong anyways.

I definitely think people going in specific professions like surgery should have extensive schooling. But a lot of jobs don’t really need schooling. Reading, writing, basic math, science and history can be taught by parents or a tutor at most. I suppose one could argue that trashy parents wouldn’t teach their kids anything but then again I doubt that the kids of trashy parents are paying any attention at school anyway.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@Outcast9428
@WanderingProtagonist
@Lucas88
@Pixel--Dude

I absolutely agree with what you guys said. Public school system gives very little benefit for the students.. It's such a waste of resources and I also hated High School and even my university. I wish I can call an "artillery strike" on my old High School because it's such a dreadful place with all the bullying, ostracizing, cr@ppy food, and all the frustration with learning useless info.

They only give you a good roundabout like a dog chasing it's own tail and make you pursue useless, outdated knowledge which doesn't mean anything in the real world. Also the schools only enriches the bloated Department of Education, Teachers and school administrators.

Not only that, but also I like to add that lot of stupid waste and corruption going on in the name of education.

In the U.S, if you mortgage or own a house, you have to pay "property tax" to the town which pays for the school budget.
Unfortunately, the property taxes keeps going up every year at my former suburb to pay for the salaries of some useless administrative staff and for ongoing construction projects that the school loves to do. When I was in high school back in 2007, The school kept on spending tens of millions of dollars building new sections of the school building, building a giant American football field, and providing laptops for every students. None of it helped in educating the kids. We all played Pokemon on an emulator in those laptops and the laptops are also slow and laggy as hell.
The Cafeteria food was the same food used to feed actual prisoners at our State Prison. I had to pack my own lunch or drive to the nearest Mcdonalds.

Same thing in my old university. The dean of the school gets millions in annual salary and so as the university's American football coach. He also gets his "five million" dollars in compensation. And there was construction everywhere in the university and there are over several thousand administrative and maintenance staff. very little of our tuition goes to quality teachers. Most of the teachers are bottom of the barrel from corporate America and the many others are from China and India.

In America, Education is a Racket and a political indoctrination center.

[WanderingProtagonist]

I voted that schools make society worse. I don't perceive many people who are "educated" as particularly intelligent anyway. I've said before that many people are ignorant as f**k, regardless of whether they are educated or not. And ignorance is the cornerstone of stupidity.

What makes me laugh is that people who are educated with degrees and A levels and all the rest of it look down on people with no qualifications as if they are stupid when both are equally stupid living ignorant lives where they can't think for themselves.

What makes someone intelligent are things like insatiable curiosity, skepticism, open-mindedness and also the ability to understand just how much one doesn't actually know. Another key trait of an intellectual thinker is someone who is sensitive to the experiences of others. Without this key trait one can lack empathy and understanding and can become grounded in ignorance!

The current education system is not about creating intelligent individuals who are keen to learn as the illusion is presented. It's about creating compliant individuals who can follow orders and spend their entire adult lives obeying authority and being told what and how to think. An intelligent individual breaks the mold and rebels against this system. An intelligent individual cares about the wellbeing of everyone in society and isn't satisfied to live their life as a compliant debt slave to some corporation. Such an existence is meaningless and soulless!

Children are curious by nature. I think the modern education system, where kids are constantly told to sit down and shut up and fold their arms and sit up straight etc, is more a nefarious slave programme to ensure as many people do as they are told and do not question the status quo. Any child who doesn't follow orders is accused of being a problem and drugged up on ritalin or whatever other drugs these assholes want to sedate rebellious kids with.

This system in its entirety is f***ing evil! It has to be destroyed and overturned. The hegemony has to be torn down brick by f***ing brick and all the slave masters should be strung up and murdered for their crimes against humanity! This is why we need a warrior ethos! To fight these evil bastards and destroy them so that one day our lineage might be able to enjoy natural lives which aren't plagued with depression and anxiety caused by this system and by these evil corporate monsters that control the world!

@Lucas88
@Outcast9428

Some of this is incorrect because I'm sure a lot of people who didn't discipline their kids are the same people who raised a bunch of assholes who already do wtf they want by default. Schools don't necessarily make society worse, Western schools in their current form do. How did schools in the pioneer days make society worse? It didn't. Schools vary from country to country and yes some schools do help benefit people. I mean would you let someone perform open heart surgery on you with no educational background on the practice? I sure as hell wouldn't. I don't know what schools you went to, but my school was great in the 90s, as were all my teachers. When I couldn't read worth for shit, I had a Chinese teacher that cared enough to help me. None of my teachers were guilty of any brainwashing either, and this was in California the most leftist state in the U.S. next to NY.

It wasn't until I went to college that I experienced all the liberalism stuff and simply couldn't fit in. But Elementary, and Kindergarden, were the best damn years of my youth. Jr High was a hit or miss, and highschool had it's ups and downs due to the bullies I had to face who ended up in prison because one of them became a murderer. School isn't all bad, it depends on what schools people end up going to. Schools in America today is shit compared to what they were when I was going. My teachers really gave a f**k back then, they would even take us to the library to pick out books to read, and while I can understand why they must discipline kids.

I mean you can't have kids being unruly and just doing whatever they want, not even a good parent would do that unless you like the idea of your kid running shit in the house. My cousin owns many daycare centers and I remember being a teachers aid in one of them, you best believe I didn't let kids run the classroom, and the boys respected me. There were teachers that did that and it was chaos, the kids didn't respect them because they lacked authority, you would have kids fighting, and tearing the classroom up, doing whatever they wanted because the teachers couldn't keep them in line. I would show up and the classroom would have kids drawing all over the walls and everything.

You can't run a preschool with kids being out of control like that. It also showed who was the boss in their household, and it wasn't their parents. I remember one kid telling me "My dad has to listen to my mom and do whatever she says." I just looked at him speechless cause I had no idea how to respond to that. Because I'm thinking he has no authority in his house, it's either the kid that calls the shots or it's the woman/mother. I dont know about anyone else but I would hate to be a parent raising a rebellious child. I had friends like that growing up that disrespected their parents, told their mom or dad to shut the f**k up. And I hated hearing them tlak that way to their parents just because they didn't want to take orders from their mother or father.

This white kid I knew would run away often, get up in his mom and dads face like he owned the house when they were the ones paying the f***ing bills.I would never talk to my mom like that, she would put my ass in my place instantly if I ever did and make me learn what respect is. She use to whoop my ass all the time, and my brothers ass too. But we still love and respected our mother regardless of the beat downs. Some kids they grow up hating their parents and just assume that everything discipline related equates to some form of abuse. Even the teachers down south where my mother and uncles all went to school use to whoop their asses. My uncles got their asses kicked by their teachers quite often but nobody in my family grew up hating their teacher for how they were disciplined in school.

Anyway I don't know, things were generally a lot better back when I was going to school, I never felt brainwashed or anything because my teachers didn't do anything of the sort. School is only beneficial if the people attending make it beneficial and the teachers really care enough to help.
The West today is more about world dominance. So going to school now is more like controlling the masses so those at the very top can do whatever they want to a defenseless, crippled, and weaken, beat down nation full of compliant individuals that do everything the gov says even when they clearly know it's wrong anyways.

I definitely think people going in specific professions like surgery should have extensive schooling. But a lot of jobs don’t really need schooling. Reading, writing, basic math, science and history can be taught by parents or a tutor at most. I suppose one could argue that trashy parents wouldn’t teach their kids anything but then again I doubt that the kids of trashy parents are paying any attention at school anyway.

A lot of jobs that don't require any schooling is mostly low wage jobs too. But most jobs want you to at least have a HS diploma, college is optional unless you want something in management or whatever.

[WanderingProtagonist]

@Outcast9428
@WanderingProtagonist
@Lucas88
@Pixel--Dude

I absolutely agree with what you guys said. Public school system gives very little benefit for the students.. It's such a waste of resources and I also hated High School and even my university. I wish I can call an "artillery strike" on my old High School because it's such a dreadful place with all the bullying, ostracizing, cr@ppy food, and all the frustration with learning useless info.

They only give you a good roundabout like a dog chasing it's own tail and make you pursue useless, outdated knowledge which doesn't mean anything in the real world. Also the schools only enriches the bloated Department of Education, Teachers and school administrators.

Not only that, but also I like to add that lot of stupid waste and corruption going on in the name of education.

In the U.S, if you mortgage or own a house, you have to pay "property tax" to the town which pays for the school budget.
Unfortunately, the property taxes keeps going up every year at my former suburb to pay for the salaries of some useless administrative staff and for ongoing construction projects that the school loves to do. When I was in high school back in 2007, The school kept on spending tens of millions of dollars building new sections of the school building, building a giant American football field, and providing laptops for every students. None of it helped in educating the kids. We all played Pokemon on an emulator in those laptops and the laptops are also slow and laggy as hell.
The Cafeteria food was the same food used to feed actual prisoners at our State Prison. I had to pack my own lunch or drive to the nearest Mcdonalds.

Same thing in my old university. The dean of the school gets millions in annual salary and so as the university's American football coach. He also gets his "five million" dollars in compensation. And there was construction everywhere in the university and there are over several thousand administrative and maintenance staff. very little of our tuition goes to quality teachers. Most of the teachers are bottom of the barrel from corporate America and the many others are from China and India.

In America, Education is a Racket and a political indoctrination center.

But it wasn't always a racket and indoctrination center, that's what I was trying to explain.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@Outcast9428
@WanderingProtagonist
@Lucas88
@Pixel--Dude

I absolutely agree with what you guys said. Public school system gives very little benefit for the students.. It's such a waste of resources and I also hated High School and even my university. I wish I can call an "artillery strike" on my old High School because it's such a dreadful place with all the bullying, ostracizing, cr@ppy food, and all the frustration with learning useless info.

They only give you a good roundabout like a dog chasing it's own tail and make you pursue useless, outdated knowledge which doesn't mean anything in the real world. Also the schools only enriches the bloated Department of Education, Teachers and school administrators.

Not only that, but also I like to add that lot of stupid waste and corruption going on in the name of education.

In the U.S, if you mortgage or own a house, you have to pay "property tax" to the town which pays for the school budget.
Unfortunately, the property taxes keeps going up every year at my former suburb to pay for the salaries of some useless administrative staff and for ongoing construction projects that the school loves to do. When I was in high school back in 2007, The school kept on spending tens of millions of dollars building new sections of the school building, building a giant American football field, and providing laptops for every students. None of it helped in educating the kids. We all played Pokemon on an emulator in those laptops and the laptops are also slow and laggy as hell.
The Cafeteria food was the same food used to feed actual prisoners at our State Prison. I had to pack my own lunch or drive to the nearest Mcdonalds.

Same thing in my old university. The dean of the school gets millions in annual salary and so as the university's American football coach. He also gets his "five million" dollars in compensation. And there was construction everywhere in the university and there are over several thousand administrative and maintenance staff. very little of our tuition goes to quality teachers. Most of the teachers are bottom of the barrel from corporate America and the many others are from China and India.

In America, Education is a Racket and a political indoctrination center.

But it wasn't always a racket and indoctrination center, that's what I was trying to explain.

Well at least in America it is.
Finland's education system is much better in educating the kids. There's not a racket over there.

[Outcast9428]

@Outcast9428
@WanderingProtagonist
@Lucas88
@Pixel--Dude

I absolutely agree with what you guys said. Public school system gives very little benefit for the students.. It's such a waste of resources and I also hated High School and even my university. I wish I can call an "artillery strike" on my old High School because it's such a dreadful place with all the bullying, ostracizing, cr@ppy food, and all the frustration with learning useless info.

They only give you a good roundabout like a dog chasing it's own tail and make you pursue useless, outdated knowledge which doesn't mean anything in the real world. Also the schools only enriches the bloated Department of Education, Teachers and school administrators.

Not only that, but also I like to add that lot of stupid waste and corruption going on in the name of education.

In the U.S, if you mortgage or own a house, you have to pay "property tax" to the town which pays for the school budget.
Unfortunately, the property taxes keeps going up every year at my former suburb to pay for the salaries of some useless administrative staff and for ongoing construction projects that the school loves to do. When I was in high school back in 2007, The school kept on spending tens of millions of dollars building new sections of the school building, building a giant American football field, and providing laptops for every students. None of it helped in educating the kids. We all played Pokemon on an emulator in those laptops and the laptops are also slow and laggy as hell.
The Cafeteria food was the same food used to feed actual prisoners at our State Prison. I had to pack my own lunch or drive to the nearest Mcdonalds.

Same thing in my old university. The dean of the school gets millions in annual salary and so as the university's American football coach. He also gets his "five million" dollars in compensation. And there was construction everywhere in the university and there are over several thousand administrative and maintenance staff. very little of our tuition goes to quality teachers. Most of the teachers are bottom of the barrel from corporate America and the many others are from China and India.

In America, Education is a Racket and a political indoctrination center.

But it wasn't always a racket and indoctrination center, that's what I was trying to explain.

Well at least in America it is.
Finland's education system is much better in educating the kids. There's not a racket over there.

Quality of life wise they are not as misery inducing, but make no mistake they are definitely indoctrination centers too. @WanderingProtagonist I think in the pioneer days most people just homeschooled. I don’t think there were public schools back then. I know my great grandfather basically stopped going to school after 5th grade. If you go back 100 years ago, getting a high school diploma was about as common as getting a bachelors degree is today.

[WanderingProtagonist]

@Outcast9428
@WanderingProtagonist
@Lucas88
@Pixel--Dude

I absolutely agree with what you guys said. Public school system gives very little benefit for the students.. It's such a waste of resources and I also hated High School and even my university. I wish I can call an "artillery strike" on my old High School because it's such a dreadful place with all the bullying, ostracizing, cr@ppy food, and all the frustration with learning useless info.

They only give you a good roundabout like a dog chasing it's own tail and make you pursue useless, outdated knowledge which doesn't mean anything in the real world. Also the schools only enriches the bloated Department of Education, Teachers and school administrators.

Not only that, but also I like to add that lot of stupid waste and corruption going on in the name of education.

In the U.S, if you mortgage or own a house, you have to pay "property tax" to the town which pays for the school budget.
Unfortunately, the property taxes keeps going up every year at my former suburb to pay for the salaries of some useless administrative staff and for ongoing construction projects that the school loves to do. When I was in high school back in 2007, The school kept on spending tens of millions of dollars building new sections of the school building, building a giant American football field, and providing laptops for every students. None of it helped in educating the kids. We all played Pokemon on an emulator in those laptops and the laptops are also slow and laggy as hell.
The Cafeteria food was the same food used to feed actual prisoners at our State Prison. I had to pack my own lunch or drive to the nearest Mcdonalds.

Same thing in my old university. The dean of the school gets millions in annual salary and so as the university's American football coach. He also gets his "five million" dollars in compensation. And there was construction everywhere in the university and there are over several thousand administrative and maintenance staff. very little of our tuition goes to quality teachers. Most of the teachers are bottom of the barrel from corporate America and the many others are from China and India.

In America, Education is a Racket and a political indoctrination center.

But it wasn't always a racket and indoctrination center, that's what I was trying to explain.

Well at least in America it is.
Finland's education system is much better in educating the kids. There's not a racket over there.

Quality of life wise they are not as misery inducing, but make no mistake they are definitely indoctrination centers too. @WanderingProtagonist I think in the pioneer days most people just homeschooled. I don’t think there were public schools back then. I know my great grandfather basically stopped going to school after 5th grade. If you go back 100 years ago, getting a high school diploma was about as common as getting a bachelors degree is today.

No they weren't because they had a lot of schools like the ones in Little House On a Prairie. There is a school building just like that in the town my grandmother lives in. And those schools often mixed the little kids in the same class with the older. Just that the older kids I believe they sat way in the back and the younger kids sat up front. You had one teacher and they taught both the older students and the little ones at the same time.

There are lots of photographs on the internet showing how school was back then and kids still went and attended public schooling, how could parents homeschool when they were busy working all day? Even the women did a lot of work. Some of you guys are overeggerating too much. I went to public school up until 11th grade before I got homeschooled and they were not indoctrinating anybody when I was there. They didn't start really doing that until 2010. Hell BLM didn't exist until 2013 and that wasn't even all that long ago. The only thing I can remember indoctrination wise was the black history stuff but even then it was nowhere near as aggressive as it is now where they feel like they have to keep reminding everyone wtf MLK said over and over and over again. I know for a fact none of the LBGTQ shit was being taught in any of the schools I went to. Not a single one. I probably met at least one or two gay teenagers compared to today where it seems like every school in liberal states are packed full of homos and tranny students just so no one feels left out. The West went to crap because people let it go to crap on purpose. Dumb mfers standing around waiting for Trump to get elected again thinking he's the cure

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

@Outcast9428
@WanderingProtagonist
@Lucas88
@Pixel--Dude

I absolutely agree with what you guys said. Public school system gives very little benefit for the students.. It's such a waste of resources and I also hated High School and even my university. I wish I can call an "artillery strike" on my old High School because it's such a dreadful place with all the bullying, ostracizing, cr@ppy food, and all the frustration with learning useless info.

They only give you a good roundabout like a dog chasing it's own tail and make you pursue useless, outdated knowledge which doesn't mean anything in the real world. Also the schools only enriches the bloated Department of Education, Teachers and school administrators.

Not only that, but also I like to add that lot of stupid waste and corruption going on in the name of education.

In the U.S, if you mortgage or own a house, you have to pay "property tax" to the town which pays for the school budget.
Unfortunately, the property taxes keeps going up every year at my former suburb to pay for the salaries of some useless administrative staff and for ongoing construction projects that the school loves to do. When I was in high school back in 2007, The school kept on spending tens of millions of dollars building new sections of the school building, building a giant American football field, and providing laptops for every students. None of it helped in educating the kids. We all played Pokemon on an emulator in those laptops and the laptops are also slow and laggy as hell.
The Cafeteria food was the same food used to feed actual prisoners at our State Prison. I had to pack my own lunch or drive to the nearest Mcdonalds.

Same thing in my old university. The dean of the school gets millions in annual salary and so as the university's American football coach. He also gets his "five million" dollars in compensation. And there was construction everywhere in the university and there are over several thousand administrative and maintenance staff. very little of our tuition goes to quality teachers. Most of the teachers are bottom of the barrel from corporate America and the many others are from China and India.

In America, Education is a Racket and a political indoctrination center.

But it wasn't always a racket and indoctrination center, that's what I was trying to explain.

Well at least in America it is.
Finland's education system is much better in educating the kids. There's not a racket over there.

Quality of life wise they are not as misery inducing, but make no mistake they are definitely indoctrination centers too. @WanderingProtagonist I think in the pioneer days most people just homeschooled. I don’t think there were public schools back then. I know my great grandfather basically stopped going to school after 5th grade. If you go back 100 years ago, getting a high school diploma was about as common as getting a bachelors degree is today.

No they weren't because they had a lot of schools like the ones in Little House On a Prairie. There is a school building just like that in the town my grandmother lives in. And those schools often mixed the little kids in the same class with the older. Just that the older kids I believe they sat way in the back and the younger kids sat up front. You had one teacher and they taught both the older students and the little ones at the same time.

There are lots of photographs on the internet showing how school was back then and kids still went and attended public schooling, how could parents homeschool when they were busy working all day? Even the women did a lot of work. Some of you guys are overeggerating too much. I went to public school up until 11th grade before I got homeschooled and they were not indoctrinating anybody when I was there. They didn't start really doing that until 2010. Hell BLM didn't exist until 2013 and that wasn't even all that long ago. The only thing I can remember indoctrination wise was the black history stuff but even then it was nowhere near as aggressive as it is now where they feel like they have to keep reminding everyone wtf MLK said over and over and over again. I know for a fact none of the LBGTQ shit was being taught in any of the schools I went to. Not a single one. I probably met at least one or two gay teenagers compared to today where it seems like every school in liberal states are packed full of homos and tranny students just so no one feels left out. The West went to crap because people let it go to crap on purpose. Dumb mfers standing around waiting for Trump to get elected again thinking he's the cure

Indeed, I went through the U.S school system too. Elementary to University. It was a very sh*tty experience, but there were no aggressive homo and Black Lives Matter indoctrination prior to 2014(when I graduated Uni). But I heard now that sh*t is getting worst and schools are going full swing with those demented ideologies right now.

I wish we can go back to the school house on the little prairie days, but that's impossible except the Amish or the Menmonites?
We might well as follow Finland's education model. I think it's more efficient, saves lot of money, and train kids for the future without the useless crap. However, there have to be a massive overhaul of the entire educational system.

But this country is slowly going down the cr@pper anyway and the masses are just stupid NPCS and Dumb Forest Gump Level, A$$holes. I don't see any hope for significant change. The ghouls wants their last piece before the whole house of cards comes crashing down.

[WanderingProtagonist]

But it wasn't always a racket and indoctrination center, that's what I was trying to explain.

Well at least in America it is.
Finland's education system is much better in educating the kids. There's not a racket over there.

Quality of life wise they are not as misery inducing, but make no mistake they are definitely indoctrination centers too. @WanderingProtagonist I think in the pioneer days most people just homeschooled. I don’t think there were public schools back then. I know my great grandfather basically stopped going to school after 5th grade. If you go back 100 years ago, getting a high school diploma was about as common as getting a bachelors degree is today.

No they weren't because they had a lot of schools like the ones in Little House On a Prairie. There is a school building just like that in the town my grandmother lives in. And those schools often mixed the little kids in the same class with the older. Just that the older kids I believe they sat way in the back and the younger kids sat up front. You had one teacher and they taught both the older students and the little ones at the same time.

There are lots of photographs on the internet showing how school was back then and kids still went and attended public schooling, how could parents homeschool when they were busy working all day? Even the women did a lot of work. Some of you guys are overeggerating too much. I went to public school up until 11th grade before I got homeschooled and they were not indoctrinating anybody when I was there. They didn't start really doing that until 2010. Hell BLM didn't exist until 2013 and that wasn't even all that long ago. The only thing I can remember indoctrination wise was the black history stuff but even then it was nowhere near as aggressive as it is now where they feel like they have to keep reminding everyone wtf MLK said over and over and over again. I know for a fact none of the LBGTQ shit was being taught in any of the schools I went to. Not a single one. I probably met at least one or two gay teenagers compared to today where it seems like every school in liberal states are packed full of homos and tranny students just so no one feels left out. The West went to crap because people let it go to crap on purpose. Dumb mfers standing around waiting for Trump to get elected again thinking he's the cure

Indeed, I went through the U.S school system too. Elementary to University. It was a very sh*tty experience, but there were no aggressive homo and Black Lives Matter indoctrination prior to 2014(when I graduated Uni). But I heard now that sh*t is getting worst and schools are going full swing with those demented ideologies right now.

I wish we can go back to the school house on the little prairie days, but that's impossible except the Amish or the Menmonites?
We might well as follow Finland's education model. I think it's more efficient, saves lot of money, and train kids for the future without the useless crap. However, there have to be a massive overhaul of the entire educational system.

But this country is slowly going down the cr@pper anyway and the masses are just stupid NPCS and Dumb Forest Gump Level, A$$holes. I don't see any hope for significant change. The ghouls wants their last piece before the whole house of cards comes crashing down.

That's why I feel that no one cares anymore what happens to this country at all...You have the loser conservatives who do nothing but
talk about what the libs are doing, but if they had control they would make life shit just the same so its not like rule under them would be any better we would still have communism anyway.
But where the hell else can you even go where it's any better? A question I'm forever asking myself.
I'm still trying to find somewhere that really is better, and not somewhere
I falsely believe is better just because I hate it here now. I don't want to move anywhere with a bunch of immigrants,
if I move to foreign lands it better feel like a foreign land and not some wannabe America 2.0 and shit.

[Tsar]

@Outcast9428 I agree that public schools are a waste of time. They're terrible places that now only exist as places of indoctrination, teach a whitewashed version of history, and are for the most part a waste of tax dollars. People should pay for private tutors, pay for private academies, or be homeschooled. It would also minimize bullying. People would need to find true friends.

Most of what I learned, I self-taught myself.

Also, we don't even need real schools anymore. We can have virtual schools with pre-recorded lessons. Even AI Robots can become teachers.

I would favor ending public schools altogether in most Western nations.

I also think that only people age 25 and older should go to college. Many people don't really know what they want to do in life until they're older.

Back in the 1800s, people were more intelligent and educated if they were tutored. I think that the current education system is a failure.

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

Well at least in America it is.
Finland's education system is much better in educating the kids. There's not a racket over there.

Quality of life wise they are not as misery inducing, but make no mistake they are definitely indoctrination centers too. @WanderingProtagonist I think in the pioneer days most people just homeschooled. I don’t think there were public schools back then. I know my great grandfather basically stopped going to school after 5th grade. If you go back 100 years ago, getting a high school diploma was about as common as getting a bachelors degree is today.

No they weren't because they had a lot of schools like the ones in Little House On a Prairie. There is a school building just like that in the town my grandmother lives in. And those schools often mixed the little kids in the same class with the older. Just that the older kids I believe they sat way in the back and the younger kids sat up front. You had one teacher and they taught both the older students and the little ones at the same time.

There are lots of photographs on the internet showing how school was back then and kids still went and attended public schooling, how could parents homeschool when they were busy working all day? Even the women did a lot of work. Some of you guys are overeggerating too much. I went to public school up until 11th grade before I got homeschooled and they were not indoctrinating anybody when I was there. They didn't start really doing that until 2010. Hell BLM didn't exist until 2013 and that wasn't even all that long ago. The only thing I can remember indoctrination wise was the black history stuff but even then it was nowhere near as aggressive as it is now where they feel like they have to keep reminding everyone wtf MLK said over and over and over again. I know for a fact none of the LBGTQ shit was being taught in any of the schools I went to. Not a single one. I probably met at least one or two gay teenagers compared to today where it seems like every school in liberal states are packed full of homos and tranny students just so no one feels left out. The West went to crap because people let it go to crap on purpose. Dumb mfers standing around waiting for Trump to get elected again thinking he's the cure

Indeed, I went through the U.S school system too. Elementary to University. It was a very sh*tty experience, but there were no aggressive homo and Black Lives Matter indoctrination prior to 2014(when I graduated Uni). But I heard now that sh*t is getting worst and schools are going full swing with those demented ideologies right now.

I wish we can go back to the school house on the little prairie days, but that's impossible except the Amish or the Menmonites?
We might well as follow Finland's education model. I think it's more efficient, saves lot of money, and train kids for the future without the useless crap. However, there have to be a massive overhaul of the entire educational system.

But this country is slowly going down the cr@pper anyway and the masses are just stupid NPCS and Dumb Forest Gump Level, A$$holes. I don't see any hope for significant change. The ghouls wants their last piece before the whole house of cards comes crashing down.

That's why I feel that no one cares anymore what happens to this country at all...You have the loser conservatives who do nothing but
talk about what the libs are doing, but if they had control they would make life shit just the same so its not like rule under them would be any better we would still have communism anyway.
But where the hell else can you even go where it's any better? A question I'm forever asking myself.
I'm still trying to find somewhere that really is better, and not somewhere
I falsely believe is better just because I hate it here now. I don't want to move anywhere with a bunch of immigrants,
if I move to foreign lands it better feel like a foreign land and not some wannabe America 2.0 and shit.

I feel the same, brother. Things were looking bright back in the 90's and 00's. People had hope and still believed in the "American Dream" myth.
Yeah the two party system is a joke. Same A$$holes in different factions. They are all in for the take.

You better not move to Asia(South Korea, Taiwan, Japan) and Western Europe(Uk, France, Spain, Germany, Italy), both America's Vassal states
and both loves to "Dick-ride" America.