Philosophy of Suicide

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Yohan wrote:
February 12th, 2023, 9:26 pm
Aokigahara is indeed a very special forest in Japan, it is located next to Mount Fuji and a part of it is located on the soil of the former volcanic eruption of this now not active vulcano. Mt. Fuji has strong religious meaning for the Japanese Shinto religion and around that area there are many Shinto Shrines and also Buddhist temples.

There are various horror stories, some of them several hundreds of years old, about ghosts walking around, as their human body could not get a proper funeral and these ghosts invite visitors to commit suicide or even attack and kill them etc.

The hardened lava of a part of Aokigahara forest is metallic and magnetic. This means when you are going there using a compass it will show you a wrong direction, a mobile phone or GPS near to ground, when sitting down for example, might not work - and the forest is very dense and you see only green and many people got lost walking in a circle for some hours to find out again.

Many Japanese people since centuries had the wish to die near to Mt. Fuji, and suicide and assistance to suicide are not really seen as something bad or wrong in Japanese society.

About 15 years ago the local administration of this province decided to do something to discourage people to commit suicide in this forest, but to close this forest to the public was not an option.

A parking area next to the entrance to this forest was created, connected to electricity, street lights, landline phone with emergency call numbers, vending machines, restrooms etc. and from there through the forest a hiking path was constructed - off limit for private cars - but wide enough for service cars to enter. Some maps, information, also Buddhist scripts about the value of life etc. are now everywhere and as long as you stay with this hiking path you cannot miss your way. Other areas were declared as off-limit, marked with fences and ropes and forest rangers were searching the entire forest, cleaning it up to make it less dense and of course they removed everything they found which was related to suicide, like human bones, skulls, ropes, messages and items of these persons who killed themselves.

Activities related to this forest will not be longer published. However every year it is said, but not confirmed, about 70 people still commit suicide in Aokigahara. During the first clean-up the remains of more than 500 people were found.

Now many people visit this forest just for hiking around and not for suicide. Some are looking for adventures and walking around even during night, looking for ghosts - but there are no ghosts there....LOL

Aokigahara is not so silent and not so remote anymore and can approached easily by car. - If people are found to enter off-limit areas and going into hiding in the forest, police has the right to consider it as trespassing and to remove them immediately for questioning.

It looks now like that...

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Cool post about Aokigahara, @Yohan, thank you!

Actually this ties to some common points of interest about paranormal phenomena that @Pixel--dude and I have talked about, and will get to later in the Ancient Astronauts / Ancient Aliens thread!

That is very true about the weird mettalurgic and magnetic dynamics due to the proximity to Mt Fuji, and I have observed and read in some detail about very similar phenomenon, in particular around Mount Shasta in California (tons of similarity and paranormal phenomena reported there), and also Crater Lake, Oregon. Surrounding areas also have similar phenomena about weird magnetic readings and paranormal phenomena being reported around there.

There's some interesting parallels between the conical volcanoes like Mt Fuji and Mt Shasta (among many others), and the theories about "pyramid power" (including the theories about the Great Pyramids having potential functions as some sort of power-generation plants, which I'm confident Yohan will dismiss in advance as "nonsense" if some perceived authority or other told him so... but his post was still awesome and full of points of interest!)

I would contest that there are "no ghosts" in and around Aokigahara (since they're widely reported by people who actually observe them, vs those with a pre-set conviction they can't exist since they're not in accord with their own views), but other than that, very cool. :)

At some point we should make a thread focusing 100% only on positive and fascinating things about Japan and its many beautiful places and the "lore of the land." I am beyond sick of addressing Outcasts's squealing delusional hysteria that Japanese women are supposedly genetically-based bastions of sexual conservatism, and stuff like this is far more fun. :lol:
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 12:21 am
Why don't Christians want to commit suicide and be with their God in heaven? If this world is controlled by Satan and evil elites why shouldn't we all just die and join God in eternal salvation?
There is a time and a place and God expects us to play out the hand we are dealt. If we don't we won't learn what we were supposed to learn.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 12:21 am
Why don't Christians want to commit suicide and be with their God in heaven? If this world is controlled by Satan and evil elites why shouldn't we all just die and join God in eternal salvation? @MrMan @Outcast9428 @Cornfed @fschmidt @69ixine can any of you guys rationalise this for me?

What about atheists? Why don't atheists just die if they think there is nothing after death anyway? Why not just end it all in an instant? Why live to suffer and be a slave to corporate elites? @CaptainSkelebob @Yohan @HouseMD

And as for spiritual people who believe in reincarnation, why should we live to suffer and not just "opt out" in favour of a better incarnation? Surely living in a shit society and feeling trapped and hopeless warrants a fresh start. Perhaps this is the true message of Buddhism with the notion of letting go of the material and having no attachments. Imagine how funny that would be. If suicide was the way to pass the test and transcend this material incarnation. @Lucas88 @Tsar

P.s. I'm not saying anyone SHOULD commit suicide. I'm just asking why don't they? Lol
As a Neoplatonist and Sufi,I can always make Emigration to a sufi traditional muslim society,like Sudan,morocco,Egypt etc and have many wives,live off real estate,and enjoy life.

I don't see suicide as a option.if the jewish and illuminati elites ever come after me I will not die except with dignity and glory,that is all i'll say :)

I see that this economy has alot of people in a bitter state.There is always emigration.

it may not -with this economy-be possible for most,but it can for YOU and the members of this forum.

you gotta be smart with money.

The absolute has forbidden suicide.That s enough of a reason for me.plus,I enjoy sex,food and sunshine too much to end my life.

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69ixine wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 4:23 pm
Pixel--Dude wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 12:21 am
Why don't Christians want to commit suicide and be with their God in heaven? If this world is controlled by Satan and evil elites why shouldn't we all just die and join God in eternal salvation? @MrMan @Outcast9428 @Cornfed @fschmidt @69ixine can any of you guys rationalise this for me?

What about atheists? Why don't atheists just die if they think there is nothing after death anyway? Why not just end it all in an instant? Why live to suffer and be a slave to corporate elites? @CaptainSkelebob @Yohan @HouseMD

And as for spiritual people who believe in reincarnation, why should we live to suffer and not just "opt out" in favour of a better incarnation? Surely living in a shit society and feeling trapped and hopeless warrants a fresh start. Perhaps this is the true message of Buddhism with the notion of letting go of the material and having no attachments. Imagine how funny that would be. If suicide was the way to pass the test and transcend this material incarnation. @Lucas88 @Tsar

P.s. I'm not saying anyone SHOULD commit suicide. I'm just asking why don't they? Lol
As a Neoplatonist and Sufi,I can always make Emigration to a sufi traditional muslim society,like Sudan,morocco,Egypt etc and have many wives,live off real estate,and enjoy life.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 12:21 am
Why don't Christians want to commit suicide and be with their God in heaven? If this world is controlled by Satan and evil elites why shouldn't we all just die and join God in eternal salvation? @MrMan @Outcast9428 @Cornfed @fschmidt @69ixine can any of you guys rationalise this for me?
Do you want to stand before God when the last thing you did in this life was murder yourself?
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Some Christians interpret the Scripture

1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

To say that if you commit suicide you are going to hell.

Now we've had @MarcosZeitola talk about how Samson committed suicide in a sense. Even Jesus committed suicide didn't he? He could have gotten away from the cross if He wanted to. There are plenty of Scriptures to support that.

I would argue against suicide though because the average life expectancy is what 70-80 years? That compared to eternity is nothing. I would recommend you tough it out and let God decide when it's time to end your life on this Earth.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 12:21 am
Why don't Christians want to commit suicide and be with their God in heaven?
Theoretically there are some Scriptures to support that you could do that. You could just believe on Jesus then end your life on this Earth then go to Heaven.

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

But as I said why short track your life on this Earth? God may have some purpose for you. Something for you to do. So I would advise against it.
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MrMan wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 6:01 pm
69ixine wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 4:23 pm
Pixel--Dude wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 12:21 am
Why don't Christians want to commit suicide and be with their God in heaven? If this world is controlled by Satan and evil elites why shouldn't we all just die and join God in eternal salvation? @MrMan @Outcast9428 @Cornfed @fschmidt @69ixine can any of you guys rationalise this for me?

What about atheists? Why don't atheists just die if they think there is nothing after death anyway? Why not just end it all in an instant? Why live to suffer and be a slave to corporate elites? @CaptainSkelebob @Yohan @HouseMD

And as for spiritual people who believe in reincarnation, why should we live to suffer and not just "opt out" in favour of a better incarnation? Surely living in a shit society and feeling trapped and hopeless warrants a fresh start. Perhaps this is the true message of Buddhism with the notion of letting go of the material and having no attachments. Imagine how funny that would be. If suicide was the way to pass the test and transcend this material incarnation. @Lucas88 @Tsar

P.s. I'm not saying anyone SHOULD commit suicide. I'm just asking why don't they? Lol
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 12:21 am
Why don't Christians want to commit suicide and be with their God in heaven? If this world is controlled by Satan and evil elites why shouldn't we all just die and join God in eternal salvation? @MrMan @Outcast9428 @Cornfed @fschmidt @69ixine can any of you guys rationalise this for me?

What about atheists? Why don't atheists just die if they think there is nothing after death anyway? Why not just end it all in an instant? Why live to suffer and be a slave to corporate elites? @CaptainSkelebob @Yohan @HouseMD

And as for spiritual people who believe in reincarnation, why should we live to suffer and not just "opt out" in favour of a better incarnation? Surely living in a shit society and feeling trapped and hopeless warrants a fresh start. Perhaps this is the true message of Buddhism with the notion of letting go of the material and having no attachments. Imagine how funny that would be. If suicide was the way to pass the test and transcend this material incarnation. @Lucas88 @Tsar

P.s. I'm not saying anyone SHOULD commit suicide. I'm just asking why don't they? Lol
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
May 25th, 2023, 11:24 pm
Cornfed wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 8:36 am
Pixel--Dude wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 12:21 am
Why don't Christians want to commit suicide and be with their God in heaven? If this world is controlled by Satan and evil elites why shouldn't we all just die and join God in eternal salvation?
There is a time and a place and God expects us to play out the hand we are dealt. If we don't we won't learn what we were supposed to learn.
I agree somewhat that the purpose of life is to grow and learn from experiences. Sometimes those experiences seem empty or pointless, but we grow from them anyway. I don't think gratuitous suffering caused by the imposition of this predatory financial system is necessarily conducive to growth and is just evil. Suffering can lead to growth, but isn't conducive.
MrMan wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 6:02 pm
Do you want to stand before God when the last thing you did in this life was murder yourself?
I would hope that an all loving God would have a modicum of compassion and understanding when it comes to those who stand before him under such a context. People often feel so unhappy and trapped that they see no other way out. Is it right they should be chastised for taking their own life if all their life consisted of was suffering?

Let's say you're in a position where you're about to face an impending death which you know is unavoidable and going to be really painful. Would it still be wrong to end things swiftly on your own terms? Suicide isn't named as a sin in the Bible. Not to my knowledge, anyway.
Murder is a sin. There may be cases where giving one'sife is bravery and sacrifice rather than self-murder--like jumping on the grenade or doing something else risky to oneself to save others.

I don't sit around worrying about my sins veing forgiven. I trust Christ, confess my sins, try to reconile with others, etc. I am concerned with God considering me to have been a good steward of my time, gifts, resources, abilities, etc. Committing suicide is a waste of time given--especially since you are talking about rationalizing it, not someone totally crazy doing it.

That guy who went to tge Andaman Islands several years back, in hindsight some might consider what he did suicidal. But that likely was not his intent, and it was for a noble cause. I heard of a missionary who said if the doctor gave him six months to live he wanted to parachute into Mecca with a sack of Bibles.

I read about some Christian virgins the jumped to their deaths to avoid the arena or circus or whatever in the Roman era. That sounds like suicides, but maybe they were risking there might be deep enough water under tge bridge over being defiled by a leopard trained to rape humans. Pagan Romans could be quite perverted.
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Ere
Pixel Dude if ur so obsessed with suicide then accept my offer and meet me in London for that fight
Eh
That will be ur fuckin suicide fella
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
May 17th, 2023, 12:21 am
And as for spiritual people who believe in reincarnation, why should we live to suffer and not just "opt out" in favour of a better incarnation? Surely living in a shit society and feeling trapped and hopeless warrants a fresh start. Perhaps this is the true message of Buddhism with the notion of letting go of the material and having no attachments. Imagine how funny that would be. If suicide was the way to pass the test and transcend this material incarnation. @Lucas88
I've still not responded in this thread even though I was tagged in it. I guess that it is just a bit of a dark topic that most people would rather not talk about.

As you already know, I've experienced varying degrees of suicide ideation at certain points in my life. The reason for this is the unfavorable circumstances of my own life (e.g., limitations related to autism, pathological hatred of my own nationality and the feeling of alienation that results from this, body dysphoria, etc.) and the consequent weariness that I feel from bearing such crosses. At times I conclude that my life is just a miserable and meaningless struggle and that it would simply be better to kill myself in order to escape a largely negative incarnation. I do believe in reincarnation, after all.

Why don't I kill myself then?

I believe that I have somewhat of an idea of how reincarnation works but I don't know all of the details for sure. I fear that suicide could potentially cause some negative effects that could make everything much worse, not to mention the psychological damage that such an act would inevitably inflict upon my loved ones.

I'm not a big believer in karma since it seems to me more like a doctrine contrived for the purpose of scaring people into submission and persuading the lower social classes to accept their miserable lot in life. However, I cannot be sure that such a mechanism of cause and effect doesn't exist at all. Eastern traditions such as Hinduism going back to the period of the Upanishads mention the concept of "prarabdha karma", a type of karma which accumulates and manifests as a series of unfavorable circumstances in a particular lifetime. It is said that the only way to overcome prarabdha karma is to ride it out. Therefore, committing suicide as an escape would only prolong the same unfavorable circumstances. :(

Similarly, some more modern spiritual teachings talk about the idea of self-karma, obstacles which the soul itself has chosen as part of certain lessons that it seeks to undergo for the purpose of its own growth. If that's the case, then suicide would result in a failure to overcome those obstacles and learn lessons that the soul has chosen and so the soul would have to face all of the same obstacles again in yet another incarnation. That would obviously mean more work than if the incarnate ego simply rode out the hardships of its present incarnation.

Since I view material reality and our incarnations therein as an opportunity for growth and evolution of the soul, I generally don't favor suicide. Even though I often feel weary of my own life, I still strive to sublimate the depressive feelings and weariness and keep myself afloat through higher endeavors such as the arts, the pursuit of knowledge, my own martial arts training and spiritual practice. Those are higher activities which allow me to temporarily transcend my own misery and dissatisfaction with life and thereby make life worth living. The prospect of chasing sexy mamasotas with big butts also serves to alleviate the pain and feelings of emptiness.

I wouldn't condemn anybody for committing suicide but I don't recommend it either. My message to spiritual people is that they try to find the beautiful things in life and seek out opportunities to grow and evolve. The material world with all of its dualities is an arena for action and evolution. Sometimes bad things must come with the good.
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Pixel--Dude wrote:
July 2nd, 2023, 4:27 am
I disagree with some of your assessments on suicide. Especially the karmic notions of suicide that there are certain obstacles the soul wants to overcome etc. Our worldviews are pretty similar, as we've always shared philosophical ideas and such, but in this sense I would argue that a lot of obstacles one has to overcome are imposed from outside influences. Financial issues drive people to suicide, these are imposed by a system of cutthroat capitalist pigs! I could not see my soul entering a contract with these subhuman monsters for the experience of suffering destitution.

I draw quite a bit of my own philosophy from Hinduism and other spiritual currents, but honestly anything to do with karmic debt just strikes me as a deterrent for suicide. It's just a convenient argument to stop people topping themselves. I'm not arguing in favour of suicide by the way. Just saying the "prarabdha karma" doesn't resonate well with me when several people face such unfavourable circumstances imposed upon them by an evil elite! That same elite have lives of luxury and its clear their souls are reptilian and evil. Perhaps at one time in antiquity, and under the natural order this could have been true, but I think our modern world is far from natural.
I'm not saying that prarabdha karma or self-karma necessarily resonate with me. I already suspect that the doctrine of karma itself is a fabrication concocted by Brahmanical priests towards the end of the Vedic period (during the time in which the earliest Upanishads were composed) for the purpose of social control and then subsequently adopted into the various orthodox Hindu philosophies as well as some of the Shramana traditions such as Buddhism and Jainism. Therefore, the doctrine of karma doesn't really figure into my own worldview. I even find the notion somewhat sadistic.

However, if I am completely honest with myself, I cannot know that my own worldview is correct for sure. Nobody can. As a truth seeker, I sometimes consider the possibility of other worldviews that differ from my own. I ask about the implications and how they would affect the way people should live their lives. The topic of obstacles and difficulties in life is the same. If it turns out that certain personalized obstacles and difficulties that we each face are indeed the result of something akin to prarabdha karma or serve as lessons willingly chosen as part of our own individual lifeplan for the purpose of growth through the overcoming of challenges, then obviously suicide would be an extremely negative option because it would completely mess up such lessons and one would have to restart the whole process again in another incarnation.

I often wonder about the metaphysical reasons for the prominent difficulties and sources of dissatisfaction in my own life such as the limitations that I experience due to autism, having been born into a culture which really doesn't suit me at all and which I completely detest (this in turn causes me to experience a high degree of alienation as well as self-hatred), my body dysphoria (alleviated only through use of Melanotan), etc.

Did we simply incarnate on the run being pursued by archons on the astral plane and accepting whatever incarnations were available despite all of their shortcomings?

Did the Vedic rishis really glimpse some deeper metaphysical truth about reality in the form of prarabdha karma and the various things that I hate about my own life are simply a manifestation of old karmas that I need to burn off?

Did I perhaps choose those difficult circumstances as self-karma as a self-accepted obstacle to overcome and thereby progress to the next level of soul evolution as some modern spiritual philosophies teach?

Of course, here I'm just hypothetically considering different possibilities.

I agree that the system that we live in is grotesque and that many of the problems that we face are imposed on us by an evil elite which has consciously conspired to turn our world into its own dystopian playground. Nevertheless, I have to wonder about my own deeply personal problems previously mentioned. Why am I affected by them? Why did I have to develop autism? Why was I born into a culture that's just not right for me and which I can't even stand? Such questions sometimes make me think about what if notions of prarabdha karma or self-karma have some degree of truth.

But overall I agree with your analysis. In fact, I distanced myself from The Michael Teachings, a channeled body of information which I came to embrace in 2012 during the initial phase of my spiritual seeking and from which I learned the concepts of soul age and self-karma, precisely because the purported channelers ignore or even deny the existence of a global conspiracy. Instead they tell us that King Charles is a level-whatever old soul server while Gandhi was a transcendental soul occupying a human body from a higher plane to impart noble teachings when in reality King Charles is nothing more than one of the evil architects behind the Great Reset and Gandhi is now known to have been a stooge of the British and a sexual pervert. I left The Michael Teachings after I learned more about the New World Order and the Kabbalistic elite which strives for world domination and universal Gentile enslavement.

As of now, I still remain a rebellious soul who doesn't trust any higher entities or their doctrines. However, that doesn't mean that I don't consider all possible theories, at least hypothetically.
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As for suicide being damaging for the soul, how does it really differ from any other method of death? A family would be equally devastated by someone they love getting murdered, dying of disease or an accident. Think of smokers and heavy drinkers, people who consistently eat shit and don't exercise and then get fat. Isn't their lifestyle essentially just a slow suicide? If they die of cancer due to smoking all their life. Or a drunken accident. Diabetes etc, couldn't we argue that their deaths were also self inflicted? Hanging and a gunshot to the head is just more sudden and deliberate. But aside from intentionally cutting short your experiences here in the material realm (which we both agree is one of the main purposes of life. To grow and experience in the realm of action) is there any actual difference to shooting yourself and someone else shooting you in terms of damage to the soul? Both are equally a violent transition.

This one is for a few others here. Why do you think the elite promote the idea of suicide to kids? Is it because Lucas could be right and suicide could actually hinder the soul in some way? This just seems pretty nefarious and evil to me
I don't know whether suicide damages the soul. My assumption is that it doesn't since the cause of death is just the same as getting shot in the head, strangled or run over by a train with the only difference being that the fatal wounds were self-inflicted. My only concern was that suicide might cause a lot of frustration for the soul by messing up its lifeplan or create some extremely negative energetic ties (if karma is actually real).

As for why the elites might want to push suicide onto people including kids, we both know by now that the NWO has a depopulation agenda. They want to reduce the global population to a fraction of its present size through infertility-inducing toxins, the Covaids vaccines, antinatalism, and the progressive promotion of LGBT and non-binary identities (incidentally also aggressively promoted to children). Advanced robotics and AI are now here and are expected to continue to evolve exponentially in the next few decades. The elites no longer need high numbers of Goyim worker slaves and would therefore prefer for the majority of them to die off.
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