the blackpill/redpill is garbage

[willymonfrete]

https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comm ... fs_i_need/

tldr

dating apps are for the minority of shallow women and there are few women on there anyway

actual research that is meta and not cherrypicked refutes the redpill/blackpill

different women find different things attractive

some women are repulsed by muscles

the entire manuresphere is banking on cherrypicking evidence that plays on your insecurities

[Lucas88]

https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comm ... fs_i_need/

tldr

dating apps are for the minority of shallow women and there are few women on there anyway

actual research that is meta and not cherrypicked refutes the redpill/blackpill

different women find different things attractive

some women are repulsed by muscles

the entire manuresphere is banking on cherrypicking evidence that plays on your insecurities

Yes, the Manuresphere is garbage. Its content creators and followers propagate their own painfully simplistic pet theories about how all women are supposed to act and then cherrypick their evidence in order to affirm their claims. At the same time they outright ignore any counterevidence that contradicts their pet theories.

It's obvious that most of these people are deeply unhappy and live in a bubble of negativity. When all you do is listen to other deeply unhappy people in an online echo chamber, your perception of the world becomes heavily distorted.

Happy and well-adjusted people don't spend hours of their week reading the Manuresphere or hanging out in its forums. They're too busy living life.

[kangarunner]

Most men are clueless about women and female nature. Red Pill and Manosphere content creators saved TONS of men from being in the dark and a lifetime of misery.

Take the RED PILL = FREEDOM.

[willymonfrete]

https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comm ... fs_i_need/

tldr

dating apps are for the minority of shallow women and there are few women on there anyway

actual research that is meta and not cherrypicked refutes the redpill/blackpill

different women find different things attractive

some women are repulsed by muscles

the entire manuresphere is banking on cherrypicking evidence that plays on your insecurities

This is true. Not all women are into big wrestler physiques. What do you make of this, @Lucas88? I know you wanted to take steroids to be a big muscular badass. Case and point my girlfriend is dating me she likes a dude who is a bit chonky. And she's got no shortage of big muscular badasses trying to get into her pants.

heres a ton of studies debunking the redpill

https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comm ... tart_here/

[willymonfrete]

Most men are clueless about women and female nature. Red Pill and Manosphere content creators saved TONS of men from being in the dark and a lifetime of misery.

Take the RED PILL = FREEDOM.

the issue is redpillers and feminists don't see nuance,the types of women redpill behaviour attract are women that are no good.

[galii]

Most men are clueless about women and female nature. Red Pill and Manosphere content creators saved TONS of men from being in the dark and a lifetime of misery.

Take the RED PILL = FREEDOM.

the issue is redpillers and feminists don't see nuance,the types of women redpill behaviour attract are women that are no good.

It is a learning process you can't do the second step before the first. So they did the first step is that something. Many time it saves lifes.

[Lucas88]

This is true. Not all women are into big wrestler physiques. What do you make of this, @Lucas88? I know you wanted to take steroids to be a big muscular badass. Case and point my girlfriend is dating me she likes a dude who is a bit chonky. And she's got no shortage of big muscular badasses trying to get into her pants.

Generally speaking, women are attracted to physically fit men with some level of lean muscle. But you don't have to be as freakishly jacked as a bloated modern bodybuilder or a musclebound pro-wrestler from the 80s to be able to attract women. Doing some weight training, getting in shape, putting on some lean muscle and cultivating some raw primal masculinity definitely helps in getting women to take notice of you. It separates you from the masses of unhealthy, out-of-shape, low-test dweebs who populate the two most recent generations known as millennials and Gen-Z.

Your girlfriend is a particular case. She likes thicc men who resemble big misterly bears. That's why she likes you - a big corpulent mister who lifts weights and has the force to knock the back out of her like a Viking.

I'm sure that there is also a minority of girls who like pretty boys with a cute neotenous face and an effeminate physique but most want a man in the fullest sense of the word.

[galii]

This is true. Not all women are into big wrestler physiques. What do you make of this, @Lucas88? I know you wanted to take steroids to be a big muscular badass. Case and point my girlfriend is dating me she likes a dude who is a bit chonky. And she's got no shortage of big muscular badasses trying to get into her pants.

Generally speaking, women are attracted to physically fit men with some level of lean muscle. But you don't have to be as freakishly jacked as a bloated modern bodybuilder or a musclebound pro-wrestler from the 80s to be able to attract women. Doing some weight training, getting in shape, putting on some lean muscle and cultivating some raw primal masculinity definitely helps in getting women to take notice of you. It separates you from the masses of unhealthy, out-of-shape, low-test dweebs who populate the two most recent generations known as millennials and Gen-Z.

Your girlfriend is a particular case. She likes thicc men who resemble big misterly bears. That's why she likes you - a big corpulent mister who lifts weights and has the force to knock the back out of her like a Viking.

I'm sure that there is also a minority of girls who like pretty boys with a cute neotenous face and an effeminate physique but most want a man in the fullest sense of the word.

Though bodybuilder types of guys aretoo self centered and women settle more with normies I think.

[Lucas88]

Though bodybuilder types of guys aretoo self centered and women settle more with normies I think.

The bodybuilder physique (especially the bloated modern ideal) is too extreme and only appeals to a minority of girls. Most find that level of mass too unnatural and grotesque.



The above is the physique to which many gym guys aspire. They take ungodly doses of all kinds of anabolic substances to achieve it. But such a physique is completely unhealthy, impractical and unattractive to all but a few.

This kind of physique is much better:



A much better goal to which to aspire in my view.

And yes, as for bodybuilders, many of them are narcissists, have obsessive personalities or suffer from body dysmorphia. That's why they're willing to take extreme doses of potentially harmful anabolic substances just to get ridiculously huge.

[galii]

Though bodybuilder types of guys aretoo self centered and women settle more with normies I think.

The bodybuilder physique (especially the bloated modern ideal) is too extreme and only appeals to a minority of girls. Most find that level of mass too unnatural and grotesque.



The above is the physique to which many gym guys aspire. They take ungodly doses of all kinds of anabolic substances to achieve it. But such a physique is completely unhealthy, impractical and unattractive to all but a few.

This kind of physique is much better:



A much better goal to which to aspire in my view.

And yes, as for bodybuilders, many of them are narcissists, have obsessive personalities or suffer from body dysmorphia. That's why they're willing to take extreme doses of potentially harmful anabolic substances just to get ridiculously huge.

No I don't mean the pro bodybuilders I mean the average gmy rat who thinks about muscle all the time looks into the mirror 20 times a day while flexing.

[Lucas88]

No I don't mean the pro bodybuilders I mean the average gmy rat who thinks about muscle all the time looks into the mirror 20 times a day while flexing.

It's not just the pros trying to get ridiculously swole. Nowadays there are also many non-pros running all kinds of gear cycles with the goal of getting absolutely massive for no other reason than their ego.

My point though was that, regardless of narcissism or not, the bodybuilder physique isn't very attractive to most girls to begin with. A more modest toned male physique is much better from an aesthetic standpoint.

[galii]

No I don't mean the pro bodybuilders I mean the average gmy rat who thinks about muscle all the time looks into the mirror 20 times a day while flexing.

It's not just the pros trying to get ridiculously swole. Nowadays there are also many non-pros running all kinds of gear cycles with the goal of getting absolutely massive for no other reason than their ego.

My point though was that, regardless of narcissism or not, the bodybuilder physique isn't very attractive to most girls to begin with. A more modest toned male physique is much better from an aesthetic standpoint.

I actually meant the guy in your pic when I talked about body builder physic or better the average gym rat.

[kangarunner]

Generally speaking, women are attracted to physically fit men with some level of lean muscle. But you don't have to be as freakishly jacked as a bloated modern bodybuilder or a musclebound pro-wrestler from the 80s to be able to attract women. Doing some weight training, getting in shape, putting on some lean muscle and cultivating some raw primal masculinity definitely helps in getting women to take notice of you. It separates you from the masses of unhealthy, out-of-shape, low-test dweebs who populate the two most recent generations known as millennials and Gen-Z.

Women are attracted to good, honest, normal men with fun personalities. Looks will only get you so far. Your personality and character will keep her with you.

If you're down here in South America hunting for big booty, then you'll need to be smooth with your language.

You'll face stiff competition as many local men are skilled big booty hunters here...

[willymonfrete]

this is a psychologist

[Lucas88]

Generally speaking, women are attracted to physically fit men with some level of lean muscle. But you don't have to be as freakishly jacked as a bloated modern bodybuilder or a musclebound pro-wrestler from the 80s to be able to attract women. Doing some weight training, getting in shape, putting on some lean muscle and cultivating some raw primal masculinity definitely helps in getting women to take notice of you. It separates you from the masses of unhealthy, out-of-shape, low-test dweebs who populate the two most recent generations known as millennials and Gen-Z.

Women are attracted to good, honest, normal men with fun personalities. Looks will only get you so far. Your personality and character will keep her with you.

My message quoted above was my opinion regarding the optimal approach to a particular component of attractiveness - namely physique and therefore looks -, not any kind of assertion that looks are the be-all end-all.

Indeed, looks will only get you so far. Having a fun personality and knowing how to talk to women are also majorly important components when it comes to attracting (and keeping) women.

I understand this first hand. When I was a teenager and in my early 20s, I excelled in the area of physique due to my combat sports training and even had a bit of a pretty boy face - I recently found some photos of mine from that time and was surprised by how good I looked -, but I was always held back by my autistic social skills and lack of know-how when it comes to talking to girls and so I was mostly dateless until the age of 23. Even when girls took an interest in me, I didn't know how to talk to them and my social anxiety and cluelessness only drove them away.

Nevertheless, my athletic physique and decent looks did pay off for me sometimes. I'd be screwed without those things.

I think that the best thing for attracting women is to achieve a certain level of balance of components - a decent level of physical fitness and masculinity, sufficient social skills and charm, and a decent income (or at least to be "on one's purpose" and have things going on in one's life). If a man has these things down, he should do okay.