Jews will save humanity

[gsjackson]

Was it not their aim to overthrow the Christian world view that placed God, mankind and the earth at the center of the universe?

No, not really.

The Christian worldview, as a derivative of the same Torah Messianism, recognizes the god of Israel as the creator of the universe, the election of the Jews, and the envisioned Messianic Kingdom -- specific doctrinal disagreements notwithstanding. Half the world worships THEIR tribal deity, accepts the Torah and Messianic prophecies in some form, and believes that "salvation comes from the Jews". What more could they possibly want?

Even Maimonides in the Middle Ages recognized the role of Christianity and Islam in the Judaization of the Gentile world with these two religions serving to spread Jewish monotheism and the values of the Torah despite the documented persecution of Jews at the hands of their followers. He even considered their propagation the fulfillment of prophecy and described it as preparation for the coming of the Messiah. Furthermore, some interpretations of the Kabbalah advance this same line of thought. One Kabbalistic interpretation of Yeshua -- the Messiah of the Christians -- is that he came as a false Messiah for the Gentiles and even tempted some Jews to stray by teaching a corrupted version of the Torah but really works with the Jews and will aid them with the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom (i.e., as a double agent).

At the elite level, Jews regard Christianity as a program through which to Judaize the Gentile world, gain support for their agenda, and make their Messianic "prophecies" (i.e., blueprints) a reality. And it worked spectacularly! Now America and other Judaized nations are full of Evangelical Christian Zionists who are more enthusiastic about the "holy land" of Israel than they are about their own country and people and who are willing to do whatever their Jewish masters want from them for the materialization of the Messianic Kingdom!

Nevertheless, one serious point of contention that the Kabbalists (i.e., Chabadniks) who rule the world have with Christianity is the Trinity doctrine which renders the religion non-Noahide-compliant. Trinitarian Christians regard Yeshua as god, which Orthodox Jews/Kabbalists consider idolatry and a violation of Torah monotheism. The first Noahide law for the Gentiles states that there can be no other god except for HaShem. Because of this the Jewish elite wishes to weaken Christian (particularly trinitarian) faith. The end goal is a one-world Noahide religion.

As for the Jews' real aim, it is already abundantly outlined in their Hebrew Bible (especially in the prophecy books, both major and minor) and their Kabbalistic literature -- a worldwide Messianic Kingdom of Jewish domination over all other nations with most Gentiles being exterminated and the rest becoming Noahide slaves.

The Kabbalists view all Gentiles as dark and impure souls which originate from the Qlipthoth of the chaotic abyss and which consequently deserve complete and utter destruction. Jewish souls, on the other hand, are held to originate from the divine light -- the realm of Adam Kadmon. The Kabbalists therefore see it as their divine mission to subjugate, enslave and ultimately destroy us. They even conceive this as tikkun olam or "rectification of the world".

The few Gentiles to be spared in the Messianic Age will be forced to accept the Noahide religion for Gentiles and recognize the Jewish god and Messiah while accepting the Jews as exalted masters. If this nefarious vision does come to fruition, then it will be like Soviet Bolshevism all over again with non-Noahides and all other dissidents -- anybody who refuses to recognize Jewish supremacy -- being terrorized by secret police, imprisoned in gulags or executed by decapitation. This will be the true face of Jewish Messianism -- the same apocalyptic vision which millions of naïve Christians in America and elsewhere are currently seeking to manifest in the name of Yeshua, not knowing how utterly perverse and sadistic the Messianic Kingdom will be.

Flat Earth or spherical Earth? I don't think that this discussion even figures into their overall plan which is laid out in no uncertain terms in their religious and mystical texts.

Christian Zionism is a recent development tied to the promulgation of the Scofield Bible by Jews in the early part of the 20th century, and as far as I know is largely confined to the U.S.

Of the 100+ countries that have exiled Jews, I'd wager that a large majority of them were Christian. How could the Jews not be resentful? How could the conversos not be resentful about being forced to convert and determined to exact their revenge through the Jesuit order? While it's possible that a secular or pagan or whatever country could develop the kind of moral framework in which Kabbalism would be constrained, the fact is that Christendom is where that ethos was constructed, stigmatizing usury, money worship, sexual deviance, pornography, etc. and elevating the ideas of equality in the eyes of God of all people. Kabbalism and Talmudism couldn't flourish in such a landscape, but they sure as hell do now in a post-Christian West.

I don't claim to be the last word on the history of all this, but I think abundant evidence can be found that Jews truly hate Christianity and Yeshua. Check out the videos of Brother Nathanael, a Jew who became a Russian Orthodox monk. The hatred runs deep.

[galii]

Was it not their aim to overthrow the Christian world view that placed God, mankind and the earth at the center of the universe?

No, not really.

The Christian worldview, as a derivative of the same Torah Messianism, recognizes the god of Israel as the creator of the universe, the election of the Jews, and the envisioned Messianic Kingdom -- specific doctrinal disagreements notwithstanding. Half the world worships THEIR tribal deity, accepts the Torah and Messianic prophecies in some form, and believes that "salvation comes from the Jews". What more could they possibly want?

Even Maimonides in the Middle Ages recognized the role of Christianity and Islam in the Judaization of the Gentile world with these two religions serving to spread Jewish monotheism and the values of the Torah despite the documented persecution of Jews at the hands of their followers. He even considered their propagation the fulfillment of prophecy and described it as preparation for the coming of the Messiah. Furthermore, some interpretations of the Kabbalah advance this same line of thought. One Kabbalistic interpretation of Yeshua -- the Messiah of the Christians -- is that he came as a false Messiah for the Gentiles and even tempted some Jews to stray by teaching a corrupted version of the Torah but really works with the Jews and will aid them with the establishment of the Messianic Kingdom (i.e., as a double agent).

At the elite level, Jews regard Christianity as a program through which to Judaize the Gentile world, gain support for their agenda, and make their Messianic "prophecies" (i.e., blueprints) a reality. And it worked spectacularly! Now America and other Judaized nations are full of Evangelical Christian Zionists who are more enthusiastic about the "holy land" of Israel than they are about their own country and people and who are willing to do whatever their Jewish masters want from them for the materialization of the Messianic Kingdom!

Nevertheless, one serious point of contention that the Kabbalists (i.e., Chabadniks) who rule the world have with Christianity is the Trinity doctrine which renders the religion non-Noahide-compliant. Trinitarian Christians regard Yeshua as god, which Orthodox Jews/Kabbalists consider idolatry and a violation of Torah monotheism. The first Noahide law for the Gentiles states that there can be no other god except for HaShem. Because of this the Jewish elite wishes to weaken Christian (particularly trinitarian) faith. The end goal is a one-world Noahide religion.

As for the Jews' real aim, it is already abundantly outlined in their Hebrew Bible (especially in the prophecy books, both major and minor) and their Kabbalistic literature -- a worldwide Messianic Kingdom of Jewish domination over all other nations with most Gentiles being exterminated and the rest becoming Noahide slaves.

The Kabbalists view all Gentiles as dark and impure souls which originate from the Qlipthoth of the chaotic abyss and which consequently deserve complete and utter destruction. Jewish souls, on the other hand, are held to originate from the divine light -- the realm of Adam Kadmon. The Kabbalists therefore see it as their divine mission to subjugate, enslave and ultimately destroy us. They even conceive this as tikkun olam or "rectification of the world".

The few Gentiles to be spared in the Messianic Age will be forced to accept the Noahide religion for Gentiles and recognize the Jewish god and Messiah while accepting the Jews as exalted masters. If this nefarious vision does come to fruition, then it will be like Soviet Bolshevism all over again with non-Noahides and all other dissidents -- anybody who refuses to recognize Jewish supremacy -- being terrorized by secret police, imprisoned in gulags or executed by decapitation. This will be the true face of Jewish Messianism -- the same apocalyptic vision which millions of naïve Christians in America and elsewhere are currently seeking to manifest in the name of Yeshua, not knowing how utterly perverse and sadistic the Messianic Kingdom will be.

Flat Earth or spherical Earth? I don't think that this discussion even figures into their overall plan which is laid out in no uncertain terms in their religious and mystical texts.

Christian Zionism is a recent development tied to the promulgation of the Scofield Bible by Jews in the early part of the 20th century, and as far as I know is largely confined to the U.S.

Of the 100+ countries that have exiled Jews, I'd wager that a large majority of them were Christian. How could the Jews not be resentful? How could the conversos not be resentful about being forced to convert and determined to exact their revenge through the Jesuit order? While it's possible that a secular or pagan or whatever country could develop the kind of moral framework in which Kabbalism would be constrained, the fact is that Christendom is where that ethos was constructed, stigmatizing usury, money worship, sexual deviance, pornography, etc. and elevating the ideas of equality in the eyes of God of all people. Kabbalism and Talmudism couldn't flourish in such a landscape, but they sure as hell do now in a post-Christian West.

I don't claim to be the last word on the history of all this, but I think abundant evidence can be found that Jews truly hate Christianity and Yeshua. Check out the videos of Brother Nathanael, a Jew who became a Russian Orthodox monk. The hatred runs deep.

When I think about Protestants and Catholics killing each other for no real reason one can assume they were not totally innocent regarding their dealings with the Jews either. Under the Ottomans the Jews were quite integrated.

[gsjackson]

the Greeks had determined the Earth to be a sphere and calculated its circumference.

If the earth's circumference and therefore its rate of curvature have been a matter of common, accepted knowledge for thousands of years, perhaps you can notify your friend Pixel-Dude, who wants this figure to be fluid in order to counter any arguments that the curvature never has been and cannot be observed anywhere but in computer generated images.

I don't want the figure to be anything. I simply stated that a tiny speck such as a human being would not perceive any curvature because of how perception works at higher altitudes in conjunction with the fact that the globe we live on is so vast. If we lived on a golf ball planet then you'd expect some visible curvature. But this is just my opinion. I'm not stating any of this as fact. I already told you that I'm open to other possibilities, but there just isn't enough evidence to convince me the earth is flat.

As for your point about Jewish lies designed to hide God. How weak is God that he can be hidden by his own creation? plus fact, why does a globe earth even negate the fact that there is an intelligent creator anyway? There's still intrinsic design within nature, things we can observe. Why are we suddenly insignificant because we exist on a spherical planet which is not the centre of everything?

By the way, I wrote a response to you in the flat earth thread, but the damn page refreshed and I couldn't be bothered to write the whole thing out again I'll try and rewrite what I put today at some point.

Going back on topic. I'm largely in agreement with @Lucas88 and I don't think there is any special intelligence Jews have that would elevate them as some kind of saviours of the world. In fact, from what I can see it seems to be Jews like John Money and Kinsey, two perverts who wanted to legalise pedophilia and push this whole transgender movement on society who are responsible for the decline of all sane thought.

Setting aside pictures and the debate about CGI, what is the exacting proof to which you hold the spinning ball theory, keeping in mind that a flat, motionless earth is not a theory, it's an observation? It's what you perceive with your senses and what your common sense tells you. What's the best evidence that your senses are lying to you, that people in Australia are standing upside down and that the sun that seems so close is really 93 million miles away and, traveling at a speed of 67,000 mph, it takes our spinning ball an entire year to go around it? What's the definitive proof that this apparent absurdity is the actual reality?

No time here for the debate about the uses of free will in a theistic conception of the universe. Millions of words have been written on the subject. And yes, the spinning ball absurdity could be the product of intelligent creation. Hawking said he preferred it to geo-centrism because it was easier to make the math work. Ivory tower theorists -- those are the authorities who have given us helio-centrism, not people looking at reality with their own two eyes.

[galii]

the Greeks had determined the Earth to be a sphere and calculated its circumference.

If the earth's circumference and therefore its rate of curvature have been a matter of common, accepted knowledge for thousands of years, perhaps you can notify your friend Pixel-Dude, who wants this figure to be fluid in order to counter any arguments that the curvature never has been and cannot be observed anywhere but in computer generated images.

I don't want the figure to be anything. I simply stated that a tiny speck such as a human being would not perceive any curvature because of how perception works at higher altitudes in conjunction with the fact that the globe we live on is so vast. If we lived on a golf ball planet then you'd expect some visible curvature. But this is just my opinion. I'm not stating any of this as fact. I already told you that I'm open to other possibilities, but there just isn't enough evidence to convince me the earth is flat.

As for your point about Jewish lies designed to hide God. How weak is God that he can be hidden by his own creation? plus fact, why does a globe earth even negate the fact that there is an intelligent creator anyway? There's still intrinsic design within nature, things we can observe. Why are we suddenly insignificant because we exist on a spherical planet which is not the centre of everything?

By the way, I wrote a response to you in the flat earth thread, but the damn page refreshed and I couldn't be bothered to write the whole thing out again I'll try and rewrite what I put today at some point.

Going back on topic. I'm largely in agreement with @Lucas88 and I don't think there is any special intelligence Jews have that would elevate them as some kind of saviours of the world. In fact, from what I can see it seems to be Jews like John Money and Kinsey, two perverts who wanted to legalise pedophilia and push this whole transgender movement on society who are responsible for the decline of all sane thought.

Setting aside pictures and the debate about CGI, what is the exacting proof to which you hold the spinning ball theory, keeping in mind that a flat, motionless earth is not a theory, it's an observation? It's what you perceive with your senses and what your common sense tells you. What's the best evidence that your senses are lying to you, that people in Australia are standing upside down and that sun that seems so close is really 93 million miles away and, traveling at a speed of 67,000 mph, it takes our spinning ball an entire year to go around it? What's the definitive proof that this apparent absurdity is the actual reality?

No time here for the debate about the uses of free will in a theistic conception of the universe. Millions of words have been written on the subject. And yes, the spinning ball absurdity could be the product of intelligent creation. Hawking said he preferred it to geo-centrism because it was easier to make the math work. Ivory tower theorists -- those are the authorities who have given us helio-centrism, not people looking at reality with their own two eyes.

When flattards believe in their senses they never do it with the sun, moon and the stars. They say the sun gets smaller because it goes away. You never hear flattards calling out other flattards for not believing in their senses. What a garbage.

When I fly 700km per hour on a plane it does not feel like I am fast. Why should I not believe my senses. Watching through microscope seeing bacteria? No I believe my senses. They don't exist because my senses. What a retarded garbage.

[gsjackson]

Try German, galii. Maybe you can make a little bit of sense in a language you know better. English -- not so much.

[yick]

Try German, galii. Maybe you can make a little bit of sense in a language you know better. English -- not so much.

Indeed spot on there Jackson! He doesn't have Yohan's command of the English language which is very impressive.

[galii]

Try German, galii. Maybe you can make a little bit of sense in a language you know better. English -- not so much.

Look flattard you can ask Pixel Dude. At least he has some respect for you. He can explain that stuff to you but you don't care because you are mentally sick.

[galii]

Try German, galii. Maybe you can make a little bit of sense in a language you know better. English -- not so much.

Indeed spot on there Jackson! He doesn't have Yohan's command of the English language which is very impressive.

That flattard doesn't deserve good formulated sentences.

[gsjackson]

Try German, galii. Maybe you can make a little bit of sense in a language you know better. English -- not so much.

Indeed spot on there Jackson! He doesn't have Yohan's command of the English language which is very impressive.

Yeah, galii could make his points in fluent German, and perhaps we could prevail upon Yohan to translate them into understandable English.

[Lucas88]

Christian Zionism is a recent development tied to the promulgation of the Scofield Bible by Jews in the early part of the 20th century, and as far as I know is largely confined to the U.S.

Of the 100+ countries that have exiled Jews, I'd wager that a large majority of them were Christian. How could the Jews not be resentful? How could the conversos not be resentful about being forced to convert and determined to exact their revenge through the Jesuit order? While it's possible that a secular or pagan or whatever country could develop the kind of moral framework in which Kabbalism would be constrained, the fact is that Christendom is where that ethos was constructed, stigmatizing usury, money worship, sexual deviance, pornography, etc. and elevating the ideas of equality in the eyes of God of all people. Kabbalism and Talmudism couldn't flourish in such a landscape, but they sure as hell do now in a post-Christian West.

I don't claim to be the last word on the history of all this, but I think abundant evidence can be found that Jews truly hate Christianity and Yeshua. Check out the videos of Brother Nathanael, a Jew who became a Russian Orthodox monk. The hatred runs deep.

The Scofield Bible for the support of Christian Zionism is certainly a thing but the truth is that, in the greater scheme of things, Christianity as an Abrahamic derivative has served to normalize and enable Jewish Messianism from a much earlier time.

Consider the following points:

• The bulk of New Testament theology was created by a Jewish Pharisee who never even met Yeshua yet took the Torah-derived religion to Rome and polemicized against all Roman and Gentile religious and philosophical tradition

• Christianity teaches that the tribal deity of the Jews is the one true god, prohibits all other forms of religion, and recognizes the Jews' election as part of a supposed overarching divine plan

• Christianity also recognizes Jewish Messianism and all of the so-called prophecies associated with it (i.e., the coming of a Messianic Kingdom in which the whole world will bow down to the god of Israel)

With Christianity as an Abrahamic derivative recognizing Yahweh worship, Torah revelation, and Jewish election and Messianism, the Jews are already more than halfway there to achieving their goal, despite doctrinal differences with and occasions of hostility from Christians. This is why Maimonides in the 12th century regarded the flourishing of Christianity and Islam throughout Gentile lands as preparation for the Messiah and the fulfillment of prophecy -- a "god works in mysterious ways" kind of deal.

The truth is that within the Kabbalah there is evidence that at the higher levels some rabbis do consider Yeshua as a kind of false prophet who deceived Gentiles but who is really working for the Jews and will help to usher in their Messianic Kingdom. It's simply that Christians and most others aren't aware of this evidence because they haven't researched the Kabbalah or even Judaism in any kind of depth.

Jews generally don't have a positive view of Yeshua because he taught a corruption of the Torah and was therefore a tempter and deceiver of Torah-observant Jews, and of course antisemitism from Christians over the centuries won't have helped either, but nevertheless since at least the time of Maimonides some high-level Jewish scholars have regarded Christianity's diffusion as part of the Jewish Messianic plan and to this day Kabbalists, including those of the Chassidic Chabad variety, teach the Yeshua-as-a-false-Messiah-for-the-Gentiles angle and are even gleeful that Gentiles practice a Torah-derived religion and worship a Jew. Lol!

I don't find the popular argument that Christianity hindered the Jewish agenda due to its antisemitism particularly convincing. It misses the bigger picture.

Rather Christianity with its recognition of the god of Israel, the Hebrew Bible, Messianism and near-perfect-Noahide-compliance provided a perfect cover for converso and crypto Jews to infiltrate religious hierarchies and rise to prominent positions in society, pretending to be Christians while secretly practicing Judaism and Kabbalah. This did indeed happen in Spain and Portugal after the Alhambra Decree of 1492 when dozens of thousands of marranos insincerely converted to Catholicism, many of whom then used their assumed Catholic identity to make their way into the highest spheres of influence within the Church and other important areas of society and marry into the Portuguese aristocracy, all while retaining their Jewish faith in secret. The underhanded schemes of these conversos however would of course generate considerable backlash from some European Catholics who caught on to what the game was, and, according to some sources (e.g., Guyénot), this would motivate the same cryptos to covertly play a role in the formation of the Protestant movement in order to turn it against the Catholic Church which they had begun to resent (it's no secret that many of the early Protestants were Judaizers and philosemitic).

The prominence which Jews achieved in Christian Europe was largely due to the fact that Christians were forced to tolerate Jews to some degree due to religious respect for their Yahweh monotheism, chosen status (i.e., "salvation comes from the Jews"), and Torah. Although there was often major Christian backlash against Jews for usury and Jewish antisociality, European recognition of the Bible still meant that they were given their place in society – even as moneylenders since this profession was considered extremely shameful for a Christian to engage in but acceptable for a Jew, perhaps due to the permission to charge interest on loans which the Old Testament affords to Jews with the only condition that the borrower be a non-Jew.

In the pre-Christian Pagan world, however, nobody gave a rat's ass about Jews or their scriptures or their tribal deity or their purported chosen status. They were merely seen as backward and superstitious and some Pagan writers were aware of their misanthropy and hatred for the nations. Without Abrahamic religion, no Gentile society believed that the Jews were chosen, cared about their religious delusions or felt obligated to tolerate them. In fact, when the Jews played up, some Pagan leaders such as Antiochus and later the Romans just went iron fist on them and outright desecrated their temple and wiped out many of them. Pagan antisemitism was far more based. Lol!

As for Kabbalism and Talmudism, both of these did flourish among Jewish circles since the Middle Ages. The Kabbalah especially flourished in Catholic Spain, where Moses de León compiled the Zohar, now the most revered Kabbalistic text. Christianity wasn't able to stamp out those indecent teachings. The same Kabbalah continued to develop throughout the Renaissance, again especially in Catholic Spain but also in Italy and other European countries. Christianity didn't do much to prevent it.

The only major problem that the Kabbalist elite has with Christianity, as I've already mentioned, is that the religion isn't fully Noahide-compliant due to its Trinity doctrine and must therefore be diluted and give way to the one-world Noahide religion for the Messianic Age. If we put all of this into perspective, it's just a case of Judaism having a few kosher quibbles with a lesser quasi-Judaism (for the Gentiles) which was born out of the former.

Sorry if I sound a bit derisive when I say this, but Christian "antisemites" recognize the tribal deity of the Jews as sole cosmic creator, accept as their holy scriptures a collection of books written by Jews, believe in a mythology populated with Jewish characters and archetypes, and even worship a Yid as their god!!! LMAO! We non-Christian/Pagan antisemites don't believe in any of that Jewish fantasy. Our antisemitism is far more legitimate.