What It Means To Be A Good Father

[jeniferbet]

To be a good father is to take responsibility for your family, children and your actions, to support your daughter when she needs it and to be strict with boys in order to raise real men

[fschmidt]

What is the most valuable advice you could offer to someone who is about to become a parent for the first time?

1. Encourage your kids to think. Get them toys and puzzles like lego and Thinkfun.
2. Keep them off of electronics. No video games, no internet, no smartphone, no TV.
3. Do not send them to public school. Private school or home school. And make sure that 90% of work is pen and paper, not computers.
4. Do scripture readings with your kids (Bible, Quran, or whatever) and discuss it with them. This teaches morality.
5. Give them freedom to play. Don't fill their time with work.

I did those. But here is one I didn't do: Move to a place where modern culture doesn't dominate, like an Anabaptist area. When kids become teens, they absorb the surrounding culture like a sponge. Modern culture is poison, so avoid it.

[Tsar]

Something I plan to do as a future parent is empower my children. My parents absolutely failed me when I was young and never empowered me. They didn't seek to understand me or cultivate my natural talents.

They wanted me to do the American serf life. Do something I have no interest in like IT, my almost Jew greedy unhelpful rich cousins worked on Wall Street and became millionaires making me think business was what I should do when I hate most business because most people don't become rich (only entrepreneurs and Wall Street. I am good at business but I won't be a mundane serf), and work a 9-5 for nothing paying taxes and enriching CEOs and corporations...not happening!

It's important to teach children aristocratic values, pagan spirituality, and empower them. Cultivate their genuine talents they love regardless of the fiat money. Also, tell them the truth that there isn't true freedom and that people can't be anything they want because that's another lie.

I was deceived and stymied by everyone in my youth including my parents.

It's important for parents to establish strong bonds of love with children and never hurt them emotionally and physically.

Fact: The older a person gets, the less they can love someone who hurt them.

Also, aristocratic children can't have good relationships with serf parents. Serf children can be turned into aristocratic children by parents who have aristocratic values.

Also, if a child hates the country they live, accept it and help them leave. I hate America after everything that I went through and everything I was denied, and my parents can't comprehend how much I hate it! America is a bastion of lies and it forced failure upon me.

Also, parents should understand that children need relationships as teenagers. My parents were useless and never care. They're also one of the groups responsible for why I am still a virgin at my age. They still don't care and say get a job.

I'd rather have inheritance so I can change my life almost instantly than my parents. Even $200,000 in cash would make me a millionaire in a few years.

Serfdom is failure but most Boomers were the first neo-Serfs. Boomers and America ruined this world after WW2!

Edit: Changed "like" to "life"

[MrMan]

Something I plan to do as a future parent is empower my children. My parents absolutely failed me when I was young and never empowered me. They didn't seek to understand me or cultivate my natural talents.

They wanted me to do the American serf like. Do something I have no interest in like IT, my almost Jew greedy unhelpful rich cousins worked on Wall Street and became millionaires making me think business was what I should do when I hate most business because most people don't become rich (only entrepreneurs and Wall Street. I am good at business but I won't be a mundane serf), and work a 9-5 for nothing paying taxes and enriching CEOs and corporations...not happening!

Business pays pretty decent, or at least it is fairly easy to get a job compared to English degrees or jobs in fine arts. In the states that aren't huge population centers, maybe business grads make just under $40K starting out. That's probably about the same as some of the factory jobs that are opening up as baby boomers retire, before AI robots take over, if that happens, but the business grad has the opportunity to increase earnings.

It looks to me like you are making excuses for not getting a job. How do you support yourself exactly? Didn't you borrow money and not pay it back? Do you get some kind of government support? I know you've posted about how you expect your family just to shell out money for you then write negative things about it because they won't shell out a bunch of money for a grown man who makes excuses for not getting a job to get on his feet.

If you were a serf, you'd probably be dead with your attitude. You could say, "I don't want to work for the landlord and farm it to scrape out a living" and then starve to death.

Serfs couldn't change their employer, typically. Corporate employees, or employees of partnerships, etc. can change their employer. So if you can get someone to hire you, you can do that, then get a side-gig from your income and grow it into your own business so you can work for yourself. But you may need to learn something about that business first. That could be something you learn about on the job or elsewhere.

If you have a 15 year gap on your resume after college, I don't know exactly how to fix that, but you could just say you had some health issues that are now resolved, and leave it at that, since you told us about some in the past. So then you are at least in a protected category for an entry level job. You might also get on at a restaurant or factory that just needs unskilled labor and is willing to give a man who went to college a long time ago but has no work history a chance. If you've had a few years of work history, your resume would probably look better.

If you have some cash to work with, which could come from a job, then you can get out of working for the man by growing a side-gig up enough to support yourself. I met a man who could make several thousands a day selling tea at events in convention centers. He picked a good location and sold glasses of tea to people for $3 right when they came out of the heat outside and started walking down the crowded rows of displays. I don't know if he did that once a year for extra cash or if he went around doing that.

In Hawaii, at a block party, there were people who ran food trucks and others who sold t-shirts. There are people who sell all kinds of things online, too. There are plumbers, roofers, and all kinds of people like that who have a skill who go into business for themselves.

I'll tell you one I could do. I could clean the lint out of drier vents. I think it costs $300, so I bought the kit and hooked it up to the drier. I could also put up wire shelves. But I have other skills that pay better. Those are things I learned to do. Maybe I could start a side gig if I wanted to. I could paint numbers on driveways. There are lots of businesses you could get into if you have just a little bit of cash.

Most of our parents are not entrepreneurs and raised us in a way to be cogs in the machine. The machine does need cogs if it is going to operate.

Why be angry and bitter over corporations making money if they are going to pay you and let you live a decent lifestyle? A couple of hundred years ago, people were working 16 hours a day in factories and coal mines, and were still poor. Now you could work about 8 hours, get 8 hours of downtime, and 8 hours of sleep with a lot of jobs, and still earn a decent living.

Also, tell them the truth that there isn't true freedom and that people can't be anything they want because that's another lie.

If you accept that as truth, why not just try to get a job?

It's important for parents to establish strong bonds of love with children and never hurt them emotionally and physically.

I don't know what happened to you on that front, so I won't comment much further.

Also, aristocratic children can't have good relationships with serf parents. Serf children can be turned into aristocratic children by parents who have aristocratic values.

Some of the aristocrats in times gone by lounged around and didn't have jobs. But they had money and social status. So are you really an aristocrat?

Also, if a child hates the country they live, accept it and help them leave. I hate America after everything that I went through and everything I was denied, and my parents can't comprehend how much I hate it! America is a bastion of lies and it forced failure upon me.

There was a generation there where I hear they started giving out participation trophies to all the kids who lost at soccer games. Was that the lie, that everyone is a winner whether you overcome or not, whether you work hard or not?

I'd rather have inheritance so I can change my life almost instantly than my parents. Even $200,000 in cash would make me a millionaire in a few years.

Why don't you give me an inheritance, too. I could use some cash. I'd probably need more than $200K, but if someone dumps a boatload of cash at your front door, tell them to come my way. I'm not wishing anyone dead, though.

You don't want to work a job, right? So your parents don't want to help bail you out and tell you to get a job. It sounds like they are doing what they can do as parents. What are they supposed to do? I might kick one of my kids out if he doesn't get a job. He's in school now, but my kids aren't going to just mooch off me and not work forever.

And if you want a girl, get a job. You have to support her. Embrace that. The economic system is what it is. You have to get a job somewhere. A lot of opportunities are jobs for corporations. Either take one of those or find another employer. Support yourself, get your life together, and then a woman worth a man's time might take you seriously. If you earn money for tickets overseas, some pretty young blonde in a foreign country might take you seriously.

You can imagine yourself to be a king with lots of money who doesn't work and has a harem of young-looking females. But the money in your imagination isn't going to feed a young woman. If she's working, she won't want to support a freeloader who thinks he's a king.

[Tsar]

@MrMan It's almost like you support wealth inequality and neo-serfdom.

Some people are natural aristocrats and not suited to mundane work.

Also, before 1600, everyone owned their own business. Corporations shouldn't exist and wouldn't if it wasn't for the United States deciding to treat them as "legal persons" after slavery was abolished in the aftermath of the Civil War.

America is responsible for destroying this world more than the Industrial Revolution did, and then the Jews escalated their destruction in the World Wars and the aftermath of the World Wars, this we have the world that exists today.

@Pixel--Dude

[Natural_Born_Cynic]

How to be a good father?

Don't have kids.

[MrMan]

@MrMan It's almost like you support wealth inequality and neo-serfdom.

Some people are natural aristocrats and not suited to mundane work.

Also, before 1600, everyone owned their own business. Corporations shouldn't exist and wouldn't if it wasn't for the United States deciding to treat them as "legal persons" after slavery was abolished in the aftermath of the Civil War.

America is responsible for destroying this world more than the Industrial Revolution did, and then the Jews escalated their destruction in the World Wars and the aftermath of the World Wars, this we have the world that exists today.

@Pixel--Dude

I was watching a video yesterday, which I think quoted Sowell, the aged economist. It said that the left cared about complaining about the ills of the poor, but it didn't care about what actually improved the lives of the poor, except on the rare occasion that it could find a piece of evidence that supported the idea that leftist policies had benefited the poor. But it has been able to weave this myth that leftist policies have actually benefited the poor.

I think there is some truth to that. Don't you just want to complain about the evils of corporations, or do you care to actually examine whether the system we have now has actually helped raise people out of poverty? Throughout the 20th century to the present, most of the world's countries have participated to some extent in a free market system that has corporations and somewhat free trade. During that time, multitudes have been pulled out of poverty as economies have developed.

Greed is a problem, and if corporations are going to get their existence from the state, the state may need to reign them in a bit. Allowing the existence of corporations is an infringement upon a free market system, IMO. So is requiring doctor's to be licensed and handling that through an independent medical association. These associations may work in their own financial interests to the detriment of the public, but are propped up by government laws. Copyrights and other forms of IP protection are government interference in a free market system, so the government may have to keep regulating them to keep them in line with the public good.

A moral person cares about the poor and wants to share. Should we put all that responsibility onto the state? One of the problems is when rulers in the state have evil agendas and are given more money to manage. We see this also with corporations who want to engage in 'corporate social responsibility.' So they use their shareholder's money to support evil social agendas, or just radical agendas that may be moving society in an direction that is not beneficial.

Political economy is a messy business. But do you have a whole well-thought-out system to replace what we have with? The idea put forth on this forum that people don't work but have a right to food and travel... that's not going to work. Why wouldn't most of us just eat and travel if it's a right? Then who is going to farm, cook the food, and work on the airplanes and in the hotels.

Able-bodied people need to work and need to have an incentive to work to have any kind of sensible economic system. We can all try to do our best to be productive in a way that is well-suited to our desires and interests within whatever constraints we have.

If you want to go with a slightly left-wing perspective on economics, consider the fact that the Labor Party in the UK endorsed Rawlsian ethics when it comes to the economy. Rawls argued that if you were conscious before being born and could choose what kind of world you would be born into, but not who you would be, you would choose a world with basic human rights, and the world where the bottom rung had it pretty good. So Rawlsian approaches to ethics when it comes to economics allows for there to be a great disparity between the rich and the poor as long as the average person on the bottom rung of the economy has it pretty well.

In the US, there are poor people, but a lot of them are able to eat, have TVs, cell phones, and microwave ovens. If homeless is the bottom rung, that's pretty rough, and that has been a growing problem. A lot of the homeless have substance abuse problems, and some of them did bring it on themselves by their own choices even if some of them have weaknesses towards addiction that others do not have. Other people on the street may have mental problems, health problems, or a series of really difficult problems stacked up and left them unable to afford a place to live.

[MrMan]

1. Encourage your kids to think. Get them toys and puzzles like lego and Thinkfun.
2. Keep them off of electronics. No video games, no internet, no smartphone, no TV.
3. Do not send them to public school. Private school or home school. And make sure that 90% of work is pen and paper, not computers.
4. Do scripture readings with your kids (Bible, Quran, or whatever) and discuss it with them. This teaches morality.
5. Give them freedom to play. Don't fill their time with work.

I did those. But here is one I didn't do: Move to a place where modern culture doesn't dominate, like an Anabaptist area. When kids become teens, they absorb the surrounding culture like a sponge. Modern culture is poison, so avoid it.

I think this is a good list. I agree with all the points aside from 4. I don't think scripture is necessary for the dissemination of morals and ethics, but in the case of raising in child in principle I agree that morality and ethics are an important end, it's just the means I disagree with. But if the end result is the same then it makes no difference.

It's pretty difficult these days I think to find a place to raise kids free from the many influences of modern culture. As a father to a 6 year old little girl it worries me that she might be influenced by some of the more toxic facets of society.

How old are your kids now? Do you feel your child has adequately adopted the values you've tried to instill into them, despite the many negative influences of modern society? And don't worry you don't have to answer anybody these if they are too personal. I'm just curious.

@MrMan what about you and your kids? Same questions as posed to fschmidt.

And how about you @MarcosZeitola?

We have two kids we have in home/electronic school. The others go to a state university. So we don't forbid devices. They have an online curriculum. We cracked down on one of the kids because we saw her online activity, and took her out of public school because of that. The pro-child-castration movement is crazy in the schools these days, too. There are a bunch of kids who are confused now because of how it is promoted on TikTok, TV, radio, etc.

We read the Bible and pray together just about every night. It's a little difficult to do that the same way as we did with two children working and another one about to get a job.

[MrMan]

I told her to tell me if she thinks various family members are boys or girls. I also told her if you stand up to pee you're a boy and if you sit down to pee you're a girl

My kids are older, but we've discussed the LGBT agenda during our Bible study times, and I believe this has staved off the indoctrination into this bizarre agenda of evil idiocy. The two youngest are homeschooled, but they have all been to public school.

As for the peeing thing, that might work on a little girl, but if you told a little boy that, he might ask if he's a girl if he pees while he's taking a dump. Especially with all the confusion they are promoting with the kids in school.

[calmlife]

Theres's no a perfect father but always showing up for your children will be.