Considered Beautiful and Rich Women, Yet Still Alone: Age Is What Matters to Chinese Men.

[MatureDJ]

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[Yohan]

There are nowadays plenty of MGTOW videos and complaints about Chinese women on the internet, sometimes follow-up comments are in English, but also in Chinese.

Complaints are mostly about women who are 35+ and are clearly overdemanding - asking for a house and car, or at least their name to be added to the land title of the house of the man, despite they are unwilling or unable to offer any financial justification for that, requirements continue with asking for expensive jewelry, a lavish wedding ceremony, and frequently a very high bride price for her parents and for herself.

Such women often out of rich families and spoiled by their elderly mother are rejected by Chinese men and I cannot blame them for that.

Also some young women are delusional, I remember a video about a Chinese woman, clearly a Miss Nobody, only 23 years old, who was asking for a bride price of 5 million yuan (almost USD 700.000). She was kicked out by her parents, no educational background, she was a factory worker, earning only yuan 3000,- per month (approx. USD 410,-) and was living alone in a small rented room in the suburbs of a large city.

Such women are nothing but gold-diggers.

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There are nowadays plenty of MGTOW videos and complaints about Chinese women on the internet, sometimes follow-up comments are in English, but also in Chinese.

Complaints are mostly about women who are 35+ and are clearly overdemanding - asking for a house and car, or at least their name to be added to the land title of the house of the man, despite they are unwilling or unable to offer any financial justification for that, requirements continue with asking for expensive jewelry, a lavish wedding ceremony, and frequently a very high bride price for her parents and for herself.

Such women often out of rich families and spoiled by their elderly mother are rejected by Chinese men and I cannot blame them for that.

Also some young women are delusional, I remember a video about a Chinese woman, clearly a Miss Nobody, only 23 years old, who was asking for a bride price of 5 million yuan (almost USD 700.000). She was kicked out by her parents, no educational background, she was a factory worker, earning only yuan 3000,- per month (approx. USD 410,-) and was living alone in a small rented room in the suburbs of a large city.

Such women are nothing but gold-diggers.

These stories go a long way to show how Chinese women are, for the most part, extremely materialistic and pragmatic: I will only be with you ("love" is something completely different!) if you provide me with all I need and all I think I am worth.

No surprise most men simply skip them and either go with high-end escorts, with whom they have an identically transactional interaction, yet much more short-lived and consequence-free, or they flock to Vietnam and Cambodia to find themselves better value-for-money brides.

[Shemp]

These stories go a long way to show how Chinese women are, for the most part, extremely materialistic and pragmatic: I will only be with you ("love" is something completely different!) if you provide me with all I need and all I think I am worth.

No surprise most men simply skip them and either go with high-end escorts, with whom they have an identically transactional interaction, yet much more short-lived and consequence-free, or they flock to Vietnam and Cambodia to find themselves better value-for-money brides.

First, "high-end escort" is a misleading term. Every man has different wants. If a man wants to shit on a young beautiful woman's breasts, for example, he will probably have to pay a lot, because very few woman want to be shitted on, and asking the woman to be young and beautiful reduces the selection even further, so these rare women who offer this "service" can ask a high price. But is it reasonable to call such high-priced women "high-end"?

Better way to characterize women who take money for sex is by whether they offer PSE (porn star experience)or GFE (girl friend experience), and then whether they are conventionally beautiful and young (and hence high demand) or not, and whether relationship is short term or long-term, and if long-term, whether monogamous or not. So at least 8 possibilities (PSE average, PSE young and beautiful, GFE average short-term, GFE average long-term, GFE average long-term monogamous, GFE young and beautiful short-term, GFE young and beautiful long-term, GFE young and beautiful long-term monogamous). .

Long-term GFE, especially the monogamous option, is more sugar baby or mistress than escort. Long-term GFE is what most modern men should aspire to as alternative to gold digger wife. (Traditional wife is another story.)

Personally, I prefer monogamous long-term GFE (aka mistress), but my constant travel schedule makes asking for monogamy unrealistic if much younger sugar baby. Girl can promise monogamy but I'm not able check on her if I'm wandering around in the mountains or desert by myself for months on end. So better to just not discuss monogamy rather than make a fool of myself by paying for monogamy then being deceived when I'm away traveling.

The way to deal with these overly demanding Chinese women is treat them like long-term GFE mistresses. If she doesn't accept your offer, either up the offer or walk away and try with another girl. Also walk away of she doesn't deliver GFE but instead delivers NWE (nagging wife experience). Marriage, dowries, house and car, etc is very bad business because no way to enforce the contract .

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First, "high-end escort" is a misleading term. Every man has different wants. If a man wants to shit on a young beautiful woman's breasts, for example, he will probably have to pay a lot, because very few woman want to be shitted on, and asking the woman to be young and beautiful reduces the selection even further, so these rare women who offer this "service" can ask a high price. But is it reasonable to call such high-priced women "high-end"?

Better way to characterize women who take money for sex is by whether they offer PSE (porn star experience)or GFE (girl friend experience), and then whether they are conventionally beautiful and young (and hence high demand) or not, and whether relationship is short term or long-term, and if long-term, whether monogamous or not. So at least 8 possibilities (PSE average, PSE young and beautiful, GFE average short-term, GFE average long-term, GFE average long-term monogamous, GFE young and beautiful short-term, GFE young and beautiful long-term, GFE young and beautiful long-term monogamous). .

Long-term GFE, especially the monogamous option, is more sugar baby or mistress than escort. Long-term GFE is what most modern men should aspire to as alternative to gold digger wife. (Traditional wife is another story.)

Personally, I prefer monogamous long-term GFE (aka mistress), but my constant travel schedule makes asking for monogamy unrealistic if much younger sugar baby. Girl can promise monogamy but I'm not able check on her if I'm wandering around in the mountains or desert by myself for months on end. So better to just not discuss monogamy rather than make a fool of myself by paying for monogamy then being deceived when I'm away traveling.

The way to deal with these overly demanding Chinese women is treat them like long-term GFE mistresses. If she doesn't accept your offer, either up the offer or walk away and try with another girl. Also walk away of she doesn't deliver GFE but instead delivers NWE (nagging wife experience). Marriage, dowries, house and car, etc is very bad business because no way to enforce the contract .

I think a SB arrangement is less flexible than just hiring an escort when needed. One of the reasons can be a man's lifestyle, like you just described: here today, there tomorrow. Another one is the innate desire for variety: if I have to spend money, I may well spend it on different women, until I find the one I am most satisfied with.

PSE or GFE, it's a matter of personal choice, or the spur of the moment. I think the real problem is to scout the good women, so a man's cash is not wasted on too many failed or disappointing attempts.

The way I see it, these over-demanding Chinese women are just as delusional as those from the West. If they really were such hot catches, they would have been snatched up by some decently wealthy local man. Until a few years ago, there was a tiny arbitrage window with divorced women. It was still possible to find a great woman, perhaps in her late 20s or early 30s, who had the stigma of divorce and would not be considered a prime pick by the local men.

YouTuber SerpentZa notoriously found one such girl and even admitted that she wouldn't have even looked at him, if it wasn't for the fact that she was divorced.



And by the way, just found out even they are getting a divorce! LOL, apparently his U-turn from China acolyte to Atlanticist lackey didn't go down well with wifey's family. A case of "what China giveth, China taketh", apparently.

For what is worth, many years ago (circa 2006), I also chatted a Chinese women in her late 20s. She was still reasonably attractive and she even sent me some nude pics to show off her very decent body. She was obviously divorced and made no secret that she was specifically targeting a foreigner because, in her family circle, nobody wanted to touch her with a 5-foot bamboo stick.

Needless to say, I passed on her and a couple of months later she sent me a photo of her with her fiance, a middle-aged US businessman. Good for her.

[Shemp]

... if I have to spend money, I may well spend it on different women, until I find the one I am most satisfied with.

You're currently spending money on a woman, unless your wife earns more than she consumes. You just don't count the cost of larger apartment than if you were single, extra food and utilities, etc as spending on a woman.

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... if I have to spend money, I may well spend it on different women, until I find the one I am most satisfied with.

You're currently spending money on a woman, unless your wife earns more than she consumes. You just don't count the cost of larger apartment than if you were single, extra food and utilities, etc as spending on a woman.

Yeah, but that's not what I meant. I mean, one has to be quite lucky to find an escort/SB he particularly enjoying spending money on. Until he finds her, he will continue to spend money on different girls, with mixed results.

By the way, my wife C doesn't make more money than me, of course. Yet, she makes enough money to be totally independent. The only "burden" on my finances is that, whenever we go out or we date, it's a meal for two, rather than for one

[Shemp]

..., one has to be quite lucky to find an escort/SB he particularly enjoying spending money on. Until he finds her, he will continue to spend money on different girls, with mixed results.

Luck factor is not necessarily more than with regular girlfriends or wives.

The problem is that men do not approach mistresses rationally. I mentioned personality compatibility in my previous post about mistresses/sugar babies, but mutual attraction is also necessary for sustainability. But this means the man has to lower his expectations, because mutual attraction is unlikely if the girl is too far out of the man's league. If the guy goes after girls with excessively large age differences, or excessive difference in physical appearance level, or little personality compatibility, then the relationship is not going to last, in which case he does indeed keep switching girls.

The need to lower expectations, in order to get sustainability, is a shock to many men. They don't want to be told that there is a limit to what money can accomplish with respect to women.

[yick]

Happened to me the other month, a beautiful girl who wanted me to upgrade her life and I could offer her an upgrade but it wouldn't have been enough - she wanted me to give her a pension of 500 dollars a month, not a lot of money considering there are men paying thousands a month to worn out bar whores in Thailand. The young lady in question has had one sexual partner - a long term boyfriend - but for whatever reason he was consigned to the dustbin of history and she was on the hunt. She wanted an American boyfriend but she didn't know any so I had to do.

I spoke to her about my many good personal qualities and she said she didn't care about them and they're not a factor when choosing someone, she wants someone with means who will make her life easier - now, when someone says that - you have to take your leave because I would have fell in love with her and when the next man with more means came along then she would be off - you have to be honest with yourself and be honest about her motivations which she was to me - she didn't lie - she just said, I need someone to look after me but my best efforts wouldn't have been enough in the end and I knew myself well enough to know that I would have got emotionally hurt.

It would have suited some guys, f***ed her for awhile, gave her some cash, move on to someone else but that isn't me but it seems here there are more and more girls going down that route - usually, it is older, married Chinese men of means who have access to these kind of girls - it's quite rare for a western guy in China to get such an opportunity.

[Shemp]

I spoke to her about my many good personal qualities and she said she didn't care about them and they're not a factor when choosing someone, she wants someone with means who will make her life easier

So refreshing to hear the truth from a woman's mouth for a change!

now, when someone says that you have to take your leave because I would have fell in love with her and when the next man with more means came along then she would be off ... and I knew myself well enough to know that I would have got emotionally hurt.

Honesty with oneself is even more important than honesty from women. Fortunately for me, I seem to be immune to falling in love. For example, that Ukrainian girl of mine contacted me out of the blue and was very friendly during our conversation back in late October, but when I called to wish her happy birthday last week, she was not so friendly. Obviously, she met somebody new in the interval between those calls. She'll be friendly again as soon as the new guy dumps her, as he surely will because I know the type young men she goes for. Since I don't fall in love and am happy alone, her unreliability doesn't bother me. But not everyone can be like me and if you are different, very good that you recognize this.

[yick]

I spoke to her about my many good personal qualities and she said she didn't care about them and they're not a factor when choosing someone, she wants someone with means who will make her life easier

So refreshing to hear the truth from a woman's mouth for a change!

now, when someone says that you have to take your leave because I would have fell in love with her and when the next man with more means came along then she would be off ... and I knew myself well enough to know that I would have got emotionally hurt.

Honesty with oneself is even more important than honesty from women. Fortunately for me, I seem to be immune to falling in love. For example, that Ukrainian girl of mine contacted me out of the blue and was very friendly during our conversation back in late October, but when I called to wish her happy birthday last week, she was not so friendly. Obviously, she met somebody new in the interval between those calls. She'll be friendly again as soon as the new guy dumps her, as he surely will because I know the type young men she goes for. Since I don't fall in love and am happy alone, her unreliability doesn't bother me. But not everyone can be like me and if you are different, very good that you recognize this.

Quite right, Frank! When they're telling you what is the bare naked truth 'whatever you bring to the table outside of money, does not matter one iota' you have to listen, I suppose she was lying when she said she would stick with me but it wouldn't have been true - she would have been off as soon as someone else came up with something better because that is her M.O - she said it herself, only a fool would ignore that and try and change her focus and her motivation - once she got to the west - Latin America, Europe or North America - there would be someone with more means than me who wouldn't have the guts to go to live in China to get someone like her who would love to have her on their arm and she would leave me for dust. I cannot compete financially against many men because the things I can compete against them do not matter - I am old enough to realise this and bail out - a younger me probably wouldn't have done - I would have carried on down that path and hoped for the best and wondered why I have been emotionally hurt again. Many men don't listen to the logic part of the brain when a woman is thrusting her p***y at them which is why a lot of them end up in the state that they're in (not good).

Regards this lady in Ukraine who is now in Dublin, do you think you will ever bin her off on a permanent basis? I am sure it wouldn't be mad difficult to find someone to take her place with the money you're paying?

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I spoke to her about my many good personal qualities and she said she didn't care about them and they're not a factor when choosing someone, she wants someone with means who will make her life easier - now, when someone says that - you have to take your leave because I would have fell in love with her and when the next man with more means came along then she would be off - you have to be honest with yourself and be honest about her motivations which she was to me - she didn't lie - she just said, I need someone to look after me but my best efforts wouldn't have been enough in the end and I knew myself well enough to know that I would have got emotionally hurt.

Well, at least she was being brutally honest with you. Sexual favours (at least that, I hope!) in exchange of a monthly stipend, but probably only until the "thank you, next" moment.

I have been watching countless material about China being in a deep crisis right now, with entire generations unable to get what they were promised (or what they "felt entitled to"). On the romance side, many of these young women have forsaken the idea of starting a family and replaced long-term, stable relationships with the hope of finding a string of more and more generous daddied to milk.

Regardless of these girls' beauty, which is highly subjective, and moral compass, which is undoubtedly poor, the whole package is the proverbial closed box with a ticking sound coming from inside. Open at your peril.

[publicduende]

..., one has to be quite lucky to find an escort/SB he particularly enjoying spending money on. Until he finds her, he will continue to spend money on different girls, with mixed results.

Luck factor is not necessarily more than with regular girlfriends or wives.

The problem is that men do not approach mistresses rationally. I mentioned personality compatibility in my previous post about mistresses/sugar babies, but mutual attraction is also necessary for sustainability. But this means the man has to lower his expectations, because mutual attraction is unlikely if the girl is too far out of the man's league. If the guy goes after girls with excessively large age differences, or excessive difference in physical appearance level, or little personality compatibility, then the relationship is not going to last, in which case he does indeed keep switching girls.

The need to lower expectations, in order to get sustainability, is a shock to many men. They don't want to be told that there is a limit to what money can accomplish with respect to women.

Finding the right woman, whether she's LTR, mistress or fling material, it's always on the man's shoulder and not an easy task. About lowering expectations, truth be told, I have always seen men who had lower expectations than their female counterparts. Maybe it's got to do with the usual polygamy vs hypergamy thing. The vast majority of men I know settled for a woman they probably don't even like that much, but whom likes them more, at least at the onset. The men who fight tooth and nail to woo a girl out of their league, only to be shunned months or years after for that girl's "natural" match, are fewer and fewer. The investment in time and money is higher and higher and most men simply can't afford it, or give up.

The perception that, even when it comes to prostitutes and SBs, money might not be enough, is a simple supply and demand problem. On one side on the transaction we have a young escort in her prime, cute as a button, intellectually smarter than a plank and with a long line of customers. Why shouldn't she feel entitled to take her pick from the line and cherry pick only the younger, most handsome, classier and more generous of the lot?

We all know that money, the "M", is the only thing that can balance the "L" (looks) and the "S" (status). It is indeed a hit on their pride for them to know that, even all the cash they managed to save for several months, may not be enough to get the experience of a girl solidly out of their punching height.

[Shemp]

Regards this lady in Ukraine who is now in Dublin, do you think you will ever bin her off on a permanent basis? I am sure it wouldn't be mad difficult to find someone to take her place with the money you're paying?

Correction: "paid" not "paying". I'm certainly not sending her money while she's in Dublin and I'm not. She's living off a combination of welfare scamming (pretending she can't speak English so can't get a job), OnlyFans and maybe sugar babying. Prostitution is illegal in Ireland and she is very careful about avoiding a criminal record, so the sugar babying would be done with plausible denyability.

I could indeed replace her and will if she causes trouble. But that's the thing, every time we were able to get together over the 6 years I was seeing her (including 18 months when I was stuck in Kyiv during the covid lockdowns), she made it very easy and pleasant for me to see her instead of someone else. Always behaving in a pleasing manner around men is something most young women no longer understand how to do. Instead, they think men need to be "tested" with ill-behavior. I typically react to such "testing" by looking for and soon finding a replacement.

I don't consider non monogamy to be ill-behavior because I would do the exact same thing in her position. "I'd be happy to be monogamous with you, but then I'd need some guarantee you'll continue providing for me in the future, and I'd also need to be provided for when you're not seeing me." That's what she would say if I asked for monogamy and it's a very reasonable argument, so I would have to pay up or shut up. But paying up would mean paying without seeing her, like now with her in Ireland, plus setting up some sort of account to pay her in case I suddenly disappear. Which would put me in exactly the sort of weak negotiating position of those Chinese men who buy the woman a house and car and then she runs off with another guy. Pay-as-you-go is better.

As for replacing her, certainly I can get other women for the same money or even no money. I had good-looking women in the USA interested in me last month when I was in Reno (I'm bicycle camping in the desert now). But that doesn't mean anything if I'm not interested in them. Plus these women almost surely want a full-time boyfriend, not some drifter who shows up for sex a couple of months each year.

I don't just want anyone and my standards are getting higher as I age and my raw sex drive diminishes. One woman I met last year in USA was a beauty queen when young, currently highly paid school principal, still slender, still beautiful face and hair. However she's roughly my age (60+) and that just doesn't excite me compared to that Ukrainian girl. Plus she's a normie, as you'd expect from a school principal, so not exactly compatible in personality with someone like me. I felt horrified at the idea of settling down with a normie my age, so didn't respond to her signs of interest.

If I pay, easy to get young girls whether in USA or Ukraine or wherever, but most of them I find intolerable to be around and it's difficult to get them to behave the way i want. I know because I ran through a bunch of young ill behaved whores in Ukraine before settling on that one Ukrainian girl. This past summer, I had a bunch of 40+ year old divorcees in Serbia interested in me when i went tango dancing. They would have expected free dinners and vacations but not money (unpaid whores is what I call such divorcees, because they dress and act like whores but don't actually get paid cash). However, I had zero interest in them.

Basically, most women either don't excite me sexually or else they annoy me, and it's the rare exception who is both sexually attractive and pleasant to be around. So when i find such an exception, I have to accept that replacing her will be difficult and thus my negotiating position is not as strong as if I were willing to accept any warm female body.