To Women: Why Are YOU Joining *OUR* Forums??!

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This site is called Happier Abroad not HA For MEN ONLY. Yes its focused on men because a man owns the site...

I should not have to point out that men own 95% of all forums and large websites on the Internet.. Men own everything important in life; All businesses, everything. How many women do you know who own small businesses, all the way up to Fortune 500 corporations? 1 in 100? 1000?

A forum is all about debating. Debating, the age-old way human beings challenge their view of the world (thesis) with others (antithesis) and, if armed with some sane curiosity and intellectual honesty, end up absorbing contrasting ideas to integrate, refine, improve theirs (synthesis). Comparing and contrasting with those with different ideas is not the best way to learn, it's the only way.

That's about as good a definition as any I've heard..

[publicduende]

[EntrepreneurNet]

Thanks for the welcome!
I also wanted to thank you publicly for multiple comments on my thread: "To Women.."

You seem to be one of the few people trying to trun this place around.

I saw some of your other threads, and you get attacked at nearly every turn, called a "mangina" white night, and all that other nonsense.. *I'm not a mangina either, and anyone who wants to attack me as such doesn't know me very well.

It's unfortunate that some people on this forum have so much time on their hands, that's all they do here. I won't reply to them..

What do you think though: Is this forum ever going to change and evolve?? Or is it doomed to fail in a couple of years?

I joined thinking I could learn a lot about expatriation and foreign women.. (I'm still committed to that, even though I could date locally). I have in fact learned a few good bits of knowledge by being here.

But I don't think I'll be here for much longer.
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Also thanks for correcting me (and not attacking me) on the statistics, I was just throwing that out there. So I would need to survey 10,000s of women to make that claim?Dang. Lol.. It's been a while since I took statistics my freshman year.

I figure my sample size is roughly 300-400 at best: everyone I know * all the romantic relationships they've ever been in. Although it was hardly scientific. I concluded barely 5 of them lasted more than 5 years, and if they got married ended in a bitter divorce after many more years (and it's not always the woman's fault either). Maybe another 10 or so of them were "reasonably happy".

I'll readjust my opinions to: 80/20.. 80% of women in my country are absolutely horrible(just an opinion). 20% are worth hanging on to... Meaning many times you can help them grow and improve as a person, if you date them. Some of those 20% are good enough already and don't need any improvement. No comment on how many that is...

Yet, there's also an element of adaptation to the new rules of the game. If you guys are prepared to accept the rules of dating & mating in such a far away cultures as the Philippines or Thailand, why so much friction to accept the rules of a transforming US or Western society?
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Everybody here seems to talk about being happier abroad. Next to nobody tries to focus on ways to be happier at home.

An extremely important point that no-one else seems to bring up.

I'm not as extreme as a lot of the guys on this forum. But I am a fitness freak, and do have very high standards. (and I wasnt't always that way either)

For me: A woman have to care as much about their body and what they put into it, as I do. But that's sadly being lost since we're all workaholic slaves who don't have time to workout at the gym - or even go for out a "run" - anymore..

Fitness has a lot of benefits, beyond just making you attractive. It improves your mind as well! http://www.brainrules.net/exercise Maybe that's why we're so dumb-downed in this society?

You may well be happy without any dialectics with women, or without manginas, or without anyone who doesn't embrace your paranoias to the fullest extent. Yet you're missing opportunities to reflect on yourself and the world around you. You're missing the quality of debate here. And believe me, it is entirely your loss, nobody else's.

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That's sums up the main reason why I started this thread. You couldn't have said it any better. I couldn't stand it any longer...

I think we need to get some real debate going about this. NO women here = very little Growth and opportunities for improvement. This place is a stagnant cesspool of hate and flame-wars...

And i want to be very clear I'm talking about respectable Asian women and Eastern European women. I could care less about Western women at this point. You could ban every woman with a U.S. IP address if you wanted, and I wouldn't complain..

If you guys all love them, and "love sleeping with them" so much?

Then what's a matter with you guys? What's the big deal about letting them participate in this forum?? Don't you want to get to know them better and learn what they are like? Before you spend $10,000, change careers, and and change your life to move overseas and go date them?

I know I do.

[Falcon]

They join partly because American men are not that much different from American women, and partly because this site has so much interesting, atypical content, and valuable insights about world travel.

American men can very cliquish and try to act like "cool frat boys" ("cool sorority chicks" for the women). They often have unrealistically high dating standards, rough demeanors, and cranky attitudes. Americans are Americans.

[publicduende]

NO women here = very little Growth and opportunities for improvement.

^^ This might be the clue that gives away the fact that you are not compatible with the kind of dialectics that seems to be going on on this site right now. You're probably young, optimistic and curious. You haven't been burned to death and you're genuinely concerned about the state of US girls and the dating scene, yet not to the point of throwing the babies with the dirty water and proclaim that all women from a second world country you've never been to are the best brides one can possibly have.

And yes, thanks for thanking me. It's true, I have endured quite a lot of abuse from a handful of immature people (plus one mature yet bent out of shape ), which makes your appreciation all the more soothing.

One thing you may have not noticed yet as you're quite new (but you may soon) is that HA does sport a good number of excellent expats. If you go through threads from a couple of years ago, you will see some excellent pieces of expat debates, including some good and balanced dialectics. These are posts that involve people who have really taken the effort to travel, meet cultures and dated their women. I have read and appreciated posts by Outwest (my favourite), Momopi, Rock, Ladislav, Darren, Winston himself, and I'm sure I'm forgetting at least as many as those I just mentioned.

Then something quite obvious happened: those who are really and patently happier abroad are busy working and running businesses with their partners, stretching themselves to help disaster-stricken people or just enjoying the exotic sun. In a word, their very success as happier abroad people is defined by their (relative) quietness on this board. And when the likes of Outwest, Rock and Momopi post, you can tell they speak out of facts, their ideas and words are more balanced and wiser, and they often mention those sterile rants about Western women being bitches and Jews running a global feminist conspiracy that will end our civilisation, as one of the reasons why they're not so keen on this forum anymore.

It's true that the forum has been colonised by a few immature chaps who are using these pages as a sounding board for all their frustrations and incapacity to blend with society. They may start blaming Anglo women, then in another post they easily extend it to the whole of the West (whatever that means - tens of thousand of square miles, hundreds of different countries and cultures, all dropped in the same box without a shroud of evidence on their "sample fitness"). Then you join in to try and inject some reason and they claim it's you and all men like you who they hate the most. Their potential fanbase shrink further. Then you mention the role of love and feelings in building a stable relationships and they come out with claim that "women are not capable of love" and those exotic places are all hellholes anyway. Once it becomes clear that the only place where they can imagine themselves being happy is the proverbial man-size islet with the one palm tree, you know it's time to pull up ladders and sail away to the next thread.



Will this place turn around? I don't know, as it's not "my" place and it's mostly down to Winston and his mods. I would like to see a place where the senior posters will feel welcome to post more of their stories, their experiences, and help a few new brooms like you (and perhaps me) run a much more fruitful and balanced debate. Heresy heresy, that kind of balanced debate that could even draw a few sensible women in, just for the sake of that thesis/antithesis/synthesis thingie.

Good luck to us. And thanks for letting me know that one poster is publicly standing on the same side as mine.

[publicduende]

I think we need to get some real debate going about this. NO women here = very little Growth and opportunities for improvement.

You want real debate with women? That is like wanting to do real differential calculus with chimps. Grow up and accept women for what they are.

BTW, you will instantly revolt and alienate any woman you try to debate anything with. Aside from the obvious teaching a pig to sing problem, trying to engage women in debate confirms to them that you don't have much experience in dealing with women and that you think they can be treated as the equals of men, whereas they value men who are their superiors. Try to think of any sounds coming out of a woman's mouth as the equivalent of a dog barking or a cat meowing.

Interesting, as every single word you said above may as well apply to some women, but surely as hell applies to you.

[Cornfed]

when you post on a public forum claiming that it's impossible to have a real debate with a woman, you're not only insulting women, you're insulting men's intelligence as well

In fact it is your mangina position that is insulting to women. By hysterically asserting that women should be respected based on the ridiculous proposition that they possess the same virtues as men, you are implicitly stating that the way women really are is bad. Take the plight of your wife. In the normal course of events she would be happy to look as good as she could, ensnare a beta male like you, get f***ed by dirtbags on the side and raise the resulting bastard thug offspring while you pay for everything. She would derive status among other women from how good she looked, the amount of money she was able to extract from you and the perceived quality of the dirtbags using her as a dumpster, and everyone would be happy. As it is she has the added encumbrance of having to pretend to be a mechanical engineer, and presumably has to do a lot of boring secretarial work and learn parlor tricks to seem like a real engineer. The poor woman. Have you no sympathy?

Why is Angela Merkel, Europe's most powerful political figure, a woman?

Because the MEN who are really in charge thought hiring a woman for that particular theatrical role would be more entertaining for the sheeple, same as why the hired a performing monkey to be the PUSA.

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I'm really getting tired of this.. I am losing interest in this/my own thread.. How can that happen? It's not worth my time.

[polya]

Well, I've checked back to see the multitude of replies from women. Guess what there's ZERO replies! This is because women are NOT here to meet men and answer questions. They simply want to scope the threads to see what THEY can get out of it for their SELFISH SELVES. Once again, men reach out to women and are ignored, just like in the USA. So I rest my case - AW are worthless shrews who need to be ignored or worse!!

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Well I stand corrected: a woman did reply JUST AFTER my post and another woman replied earlier with the pearls of wisdom:

"Ugh! Thanks to the "men" here I am now a full-bloom woman who will stay away from all of you men out there! Whether you are straight or bisexuals!
But I'll make an exception, if you are "gay", please be my friend!
Hahaha!
Seriously, I love you girlfriend! Mwah!"

OK, she was "joking" but this supports what I said above that women aren't here to meet men or answer questions.

[colibri]

hi there ! i see u are pretty new in the forum and am kinda new here too , and i wish i could post more , i think im more like a lurker in the froum i guess hehe



What’s your nationality/region?

Im Mexican and i live in Mexicos bellybuttom ! (Cuernavaca)

2. What general age-range are you in? 16-20? 20-25? 30’s? 40’s?

im about to turn 25 :O!

3. How did you stumble upon HappierAbroad?

mere coincidence i remember been reading articles about cultural dif in dating and somehow i stumbled with this forum

4. How long have you been here?

almost a year

5. And what is your general opinions of this place so far? What do you think of the “cultureâ€￾ here?

i ve find it amazing in a twisted way i think,hahha, the way i see it some of the members truly want to find true love some adventure and others equality that they couldnt find at home , some are very angry and smart some are fun, extremist , travelers etc , the reason i keep returnig to this site is the tales of lifes or when they re debating for something that generally ends up in fighting XD and becomes even more interesting cause both ve strong arguments , i swear sometimes members post RIPLEY stories about AW that makes me think about if is its truly like that or just overeacting o_o !! ( dont get mad ! for this im just saying o_o! )
example :good hearted man that cant find a stable relation with a trusthworthy woman?? kinda ripley huh ?

besides stories about men here telling how they ve found love ? who doesnt like love stories? i do .... ive never lived in US i just been there in
holidays .
my general view of HA would be : US men looking for women that no longer exist in their country and US women looking for men that ve never existed.




i wish i could post more i was suposed to post topics such as cost of living here and dating escene and i vent ! -__- !! ive been working full time .



My eng is super rusty ,hope my writting ve any sense lol

saludos ! !! grettings !

[publicduende]

when you post on a public forum claiming that it's impossible to have a real debate with a woman, you're not only insulting women, you're insulting men's intelligence as well

In fact it is your mangina position that is insulting to women. By hysterically asserting that women should be respected based on the ridiculous proposition that they possess the same virtues as men, you are implicitly stating that the way women really are is bad. Take the plight of your wife. In the normal course of events she would be happy to look as good as she could, ensnare a beta male like you, get f***ed by dirtbags on the side and raise the resulting bastard thug offspring while you pay for everything. She would derive status among other women from how good she looked, the amount of money she was able to extract from you and the perceived quality of the dirtbags using her as a dumpster, and everyone would be happy. As it is she has the added encumbrance of having to pretend to be a mechanical engineer, and presumably has to do a lot of boring secretarial work and learn parlor tricks to seem like a real engineer. The poor woman. Have you no sympathy?

Why is Angela Merkel, Europe's most powerful political figure, a woman?

Because the MEN who are really in charge thought hiring a woman for that particular theatrical role would be more entertaining for the sheeple, same as why the hired a performing monkey to be the PUSA.

Glad you finally confirmed to me and the other posters that, just like your alter ego All That Is Man, you know amazing shit about 1) women 2) society 3) life. You're probably spending your days collecting food stamps (from the government you so despise), surfing sexist/racist blogs and trolling on forums like this, daydreaming about your degenerated form of male pride that puts men on the top of the evolutive ladder and degrades women at the bottom. The women you're talking about only exist in your twisted mind and perhaps in a few episodes of the Jerry Springer show.

Well, wake up and smell the coffee. Some women could fit the above definition of lowlives marrying "betas" smoking meth and cheating on them with thugs, perhaps in the ghetto you have grown up in. Yet the vast majority of them are not that. Just like, thanks God, the vast majority of men are not like you.

What you told about my wife is the biggest pile of BS I've ever heard. I have learned not to feel insulted because you and the usual suspects are just sad clinical cases of personality disorders that your Medicaid won't cover, and are left to rot at home, entombed in their bedrooms or basements, conjuring up all sort of outlandish ideas about the world out there. You have no intention to be happier abroad, haven't you? You will never go abroad, and you will never be happy. All you will probably ever know is your room and your neighbourhood, possibly an impoverished one where you may well meet a good number of the female scumbag you describe. The only saving grace is that people like you would rarely ever go out to do any harm. Your only window and outlet is a forum like this, which you colonise and feel entitled to litter with all sorts of racist, sexist crap. So, no immediate danger for women and children.

[publicduende]

Well, I've checked back to see the multitude of replies from women. Guess what there's ZERO replies! This is because women are NOT here to meet men and answer questions. They simply want to scope the threads to see what THEY can get out of it for their SELFISH SELVES. Once again, men reach out to women and are ignored, just like in the USA. So I rest my case -AW are worthless shrews who need to be ignored or worse!!

Once again, you assume the world is this forum and this forum is the world. Chaste Filipina bothered to reply, and I can see a Colibri just posted something. I don't think women are that interested in giving their contribution in a dialectic environment where at least 50% of the threads and their contents are exuding sexist contempt and insane negative stereotypes about them. It's like expecting a black or Jewish man to feel welcome on Stormfront.

What's saddest, it's quite clear to a few of us that posters like you and a handful of others are demotivating the good and senior people, the real happier abroad, from posting. This is a loss for a forum like that. And, sadder still to say, Winston probably doesn't care much about this turn of things because he's raking up ad revenues based on traffic, so regardless of the quality of posters and posts.

If the above is the case, then I can tell this forum will become a dumpster for man hate and paranoias in less than 6 months. I'll be elsewhere by then.

[EntrepreneurNet]

What you told about my wife is the biggest pile of BS I've ever heard. I have learned not to feel insulted because you and the usual suspects are just sad clinical cases of personality disorders that your Medicaid won't cover, and are left to rot at home, entombed in their bedrooms or basements, conjuring up all sort of outlandish ideas about the world out there. You have no intention to be happier abroad, haven't you? You will never go abroad, and you will never be happy. All you will probably ever know is your room and your neighbourhood, possibly an impoverished one where you may well meet a good number of the female scumbag you describe. The only saving grace is that people like you would rarely ever go out to do any harm. Your only window and outlet is a forum like this, which you colonise and feel entitled to litter with all sorts of racist, sexist crap. So, no immediate danger for women and children0.

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Thankyou.. I'm not replying to anyone else on THIS thread unless they are a woman. And I'll reply to you too. That's good you don't let them get to you anymore. I think that's the best way to deal with it.

It's also good to see I got atleast 2 replies from women. So I know it wasn't hopeless.

Also: You have a wife?? Great! How long you been married publicduende?

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