Is International Dating For Losers?

[WorldTraveler]

Eh, if you were a simp you could marry some used up old hag.

Yeah, and leaving US for some Moldovan village just so you can touch a booby makes you a player?

Yes it does.

@Cornfed and I agree 100%. Yes you're a player and a big baller, because you actually did something to improve your life. Millions of people do nothing but talk.

[flowerthief00]

Stick with the word "simp" and it's harder to argue against. A simp is defined by uneven investment in relationships and pursuit of relationships. Thus, a person who would go all the way around the world to chase women has, shall we say...a higher than average likelihood of being a simp.

The usage of the word "loser", tho, is questionable imo, what with the dating game the way it is. To focus on who is winning or losing at this broken game is kind of missing the point.

[Cornfed]

Stick with the word "simp" and it's harder to argue against. A simp is defined by uneven investment in relationships and pursuit of relationships. Thus, a person who would go all the way around the world to chase women has, shall we say...a higher than average likelihood of being a simp.

That would only apply if the situation in the West weren't so bad, so enduring even an average relationship in the West would, relatively speaking, make you more of a simp then travelling around the world.

[flowerthief00]

That would only apply if the situation in the West weren't so bad, so enduring even an average relationship in the West would, relatively speaking, make you more of a simp then travelling around the world.

Agreed on the last bit. Enduring the average relationship in the West is almost simping by definition. I just think there's plenty of room on the simping spectrum.

[Winston]

My new friend Cyrus from Las Vegas did a great video about why dating abroad and passport bros are not for losers. It makes a lot of good points.

[vlkmo]

I tend to subscribe to the sentiment that if you want to be able to date in your own country, but have to move to another country or completely different continent/culture to date, you are a loser (not an insult) or at least have to compromise.

Dating abroad, there is nothing wrong per se. If you enjoy that, I won't stop you. But how would you feel if all the food and land in your country was poisoned and forced to relocate to a whole different country just to not starve?

[Lucas88]

I tend to subscribe to the sentiment that if you want to be able to date in your own country, but have to move to another country or completely different continent/culture to date, you are a loser (not an insult) or at least have to compromise.

Dating abroad, there is nothing wrong per se. If you enjoy that, I won't stop you. But how would you feel if all the food and land in your country was poisoned and forced to relocate to a whole different country just to not starve?

To be honest — and this too is not an insult but rather simply an honest observation — many people today are losers. People have gotten noticeably uglier in the last 20 years; many young men have low testosterone and are out of shape and mentally fragile (undoubtedly due to the myriad environmental toxins to which we are constantly exposed); social skills have declined considerably; and a significant subset of the population is addicted to videogames and the internet. Many people are objectively undesirable — far more than in previous generations.

If you can't compete in your own country but can do better for yourself in an easier foreign market, then why not? Some people might think that you're a loser, but if you pull it off you show far more versatility and determination than the true losers who merely complain on the internet about how they can't get a woman.

For me, going abroad was more about preference than fleeing from a poor dating culture back home. It's hard to like British girls of mediocre pulchritude (to put it mildly) when you've already been exposed to super-hot Brazilian babes with alluring exotic beauty and privileged booty genetics.

[yick]

I tend to subscribe to the sentiment that if you want to be able to date in your own country, but have to move to another country or completely different continent/culture to date, you are a loser (not an insult)

How is that not an insult? Of course it is!

Dating abroad, there is nothing wrong per se. If you enjoy that, I won't stop you. But how would you feel if all the food and land in your country was poisoned and forced to relocate to a whole different country just to not starve?

I wouldn't care because beautiful women are all around the world.

The 'food and land' isn't 'posioned' it's just you're not very good at farming - if we are going to stick to that analogy.

Most American men date American women and marry and have kids with them. Most American men wouldn't even consider dating overseas because they don't have to.

Some men have a natural ability with women and some don't - I am part of the latter group for what it's worth though I do better in certain places more than others.

So, if I go to a country where the women look like me and they like what they see in me because that is what they see in the mirror in the morning then why am I a loser for staying in the country where I happened to be born in with women who don't look like me and don't find me particularly attractive? Why would I subject myself to that because someone might call me a 'loser'?

You must be kidding.

[yick]

Double post

[yick]

I tend to subscribe to the sentiment that if you want to be able to date in your own country, but have to move to another country or completely different continent/culture to date, you are a loser (not an insult) or at least have to compromise.

Dating abroad, there is nothing wrong per se. If you enjoy that, I won't stop you. But how would you feel if all the food and land in your country was poisoned and forced to relocate to a whole different country just to not starve?

To be honest — and this too is not an insult but rather simply an honest observation — many people today are losers. People have gotten noticeably uglier in the last 20 years; many young men have low testosterone and are out of shape and mentally fragile (undoubtedly due to the myriad environmental toxins to which we are constantly exposed); social skills have declined considerably; and a significant subset of the population is addicted to videogames and the internet. Many people are objectively undesirable — far more than in previous generations.

If you can't compete in your own country but can do better for yourself in an easier foreign market, then why not? Some people might think that you're a loser, but if you pull it off you show far more versatility and determination than the true losers who merely complain on the internet about how they can't get a woman.

For me, going abroad was more about preference than fleeing from a poor dating culture back home. It's hard to like British girls of mediocre pulchritude (to put it mildly) when you've already been exposed to super-hot Brazilian babes with alluring exotic beauty and privileged booty genetics.

You've not mentioned epidemic levels of drug use which is now so bad, the waters in and around the UK are saturated to such levels of cocaine that it affects the swimming patters of the fish

We're drinking this toxic water and we are now seeing the effects on the population, angry, depressed and hopeless - which they are - the drug epidemic that has enveloped the UK is far worse than the drug epidemic that nearly destroyed Chinese society in the late 1800's - if you read about the negative effects of opium use on Chinese society, all that is happening now in the UK except nothing is being done to stop it because a person who is more concerned about their next fix isn't bothered about overthrowing a government.

@Winston rightly said society is 'mentally ill'. We're in a bad place, you HAVE to move, it no use being like vikmo lamenting on others getting the hell out as losers as he is sinking into the quagmire of hopelessness and for what? Because sticking it out in a country that is sinking into a psychological abyss makes him not a loser? It's weird how some people think - it's doesn't make you brave to stay with the band on the Titanic because they're playing a good tune and nobody will think you're a hero - least of all yourself (plural) once you are trying to stay afloat in the ice cold waters with only chunks of ice and sinking trombones for company as the last lifeboat is only just visible in the far distance.

It's not really about women, it's about having an optimum state of mental health in a country and a part of the world that aligns with you. It's then the women come when you have that sorted out.

[vlkmo]

Also, some of these major issues like feminism are global. Eventually, there will be no way to escape from it unless people around the world unite in opposition to this stuff.

[Lucas88]

You've not mentioned epidemic levels of drug use which is now so bad, the waters in and around the UK are saturated to such levels of cocaine that it affects the swimming patters of the fish

We're drinking this toxic water and we are now seeing the effects on the population, angry, depressed and hopeless - which they are - the drug epidemic that has enveloped the UK is far worse than the drug epidemic that nearly destroyed Chinese society in the late 1800's - if you read about the negative effects of opium use on Chinese society, all that is happening now in the UK except nothing is being done to stop it because a person who is more concerned about their next fix isn't bothered about overthrowing a government.

I wasn't talking specifically about the situation in the UK but rather that of advanced modern nations in general.

I of course know about the UK's drug use epidemic — I've witnessed it first hand, although I myself have always instinctively hated drugs — but I've never read anything about residues of recreational drugs contaminating drinking water and causing people to become mentally disturbed or depressed.

But I have studied the issue of various types of toxins and endocrine-disrupting chemicals proliferating in our living environment and causing all kinds of problems in the younger generations, from a palpable decline in testosterone levels in males and diminished physical development to a sharp rise in neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism and ADHD, as well as obesity and myriad other long-term health issues.

These toxins and endocrine-disrupting chemicals can be found everywhere, in plastics, food and beverage packaging, pesticides, cosmetics, etc. Their presence has increased significantly since the 80s, even though their harmful effects have been known for a long time. Some of the worst of them, like Bisphenol A (linked to autism, hormonal abnormalities and cancers among other things), have been banned in the EU, but their use continues in other countries like the US.

After researching this topic, I have no doubt that this is the primary reason why so many young people — Millennials and Zoomers — are so physically ill-constituted, mentally fragile, unhealthy and unmotivated. They're literally compromised in terms of their hormone levels and physical development. Just compare an 18 year-old male from today with an 18 year-old male from the 80s and the difference will be clear!

Add to this the atrocious lifestyle of social media, internet and videogame addiction and a lack of social development and you get an increasingly dysfunctional population of young people who are physically weak, out of shape, low-energy, weak-willed, and addled with all kinds of mental problems.

It's no wonder that so many young men today are incels given their developmental and lifestyle problems outlined above. Previous generations (Gen X, Boomers, etc.) didn't have these problems to anywhere near the same degree.

[Lucas88]

Also, some of these major issues like feminism are global. Eventually, there will be no way to escape from it unless people around the world unite in opposition to this stuff.

I watch a lot of YouTube content from Brazil since I'm studying Portuguese and have my location set to that region and I'm seeing a lot of Manosphere-type videos about how feminism has seeped into Brazilian society. I don't even search for that type of content; it's just recommended to me by the algorithm.

Yes, the issues that we're talking about are on their way to becoming global. Therefore, HA might be only a temporary solution. But if his home location is so dry and barren, a man might as well try somewhere else if the opportunity is there and pastures seem greener.

As for the issues at hand, like I mentioned in a previous post, everything is subject to cycles and you simply have to wait for the scale to tip in the opposite direction. This is the Daoist principle of Wu Wei — action of non-action — but it really means acting in accordance with natural cycles and trends rather than futilely forcing action against the current.

This feminism trend simply needs to exhaust itself. People are increasingly getting sick and tired of all the ugly excesses of "progressivism" (nothing really progressive about it) and "wokeism" and anything even remotely associated with them. Society is rapidly veering to the right of the political spectrum in response. Soon feminism will be called into question and repudiated.

All of this stuff is cyclical.

[yick]

You've not mentioned epidemic levels of drug use which is now so bad, the waters in and around the UK are saturated to such levels of cocaine that it affects the swimming patters of the fish

We're drinking this toxic water and we are now seeing the effects on the population, angry, depressed and hopeless - which they are - the drug epidemic that has enveloped the UK is far worse than the drug epidemic that nearly destroyed Chinese society in the late 1800's - if you read about the negative effects of opium use on Chinese society, all that is happening now in the UK except nothing is being done to stop it because a person who is more concerned about their next fix isn't bothered about overthrowing a government.

I wasn't talking specifically about the situation in the UK but rather that of advanced modern nations in general.

I of course know about the UK's drug use epidemic — I've witnessed it first hand, although I myself have always instinctively hated drugs — but I've never read anything about residues of recreational drugs contaminating drinking water and causing people to become mentally disturbed or depressed.

But I have studied the issue of various types of toxins and endocrine-disrupting chemicals proliferating in our living environment and causing all kinds of problems in the younger generations, from a palpable decline in testosterone levels in males and diminished physical development to a sharp rise in neurodevelopmental disorders such as autism and ADHD, as well as obesity and myriad other long-term health issues.

These toxins and endocrine-disrupting chemicals can be found everywhere, in plastics, food and beverage packaging, pesticides, cosmetics, etc. Their presence has increased significantly since the 80s, even though their harmful effects have been known for a long time. Some of the worst of them, like Bisphenol A (linked to autism, hormonal abnormalities and cancers among other things), have been banned in the EU, but their use continues in other countries like the US.

After researching this topic, I have no doubt that this is the primary reason why so many young people — Millennials and Zoomers — are so physically ill-constituted, mentally fragile, unhealthy and unmotivated. They're literally compromised in terms of their hormone levels and physical development. Just compare an 18 year-old male from today with an 18 year-old male from the 80s and the difference will be clear!

Add to this the atrocious lifestyle of social media, internet and videogame addiction and a lack of social development and you get an increasingly dysfunctional population of young people who are physically weak, out of shape, low-energy, weak-willed, and addled with all kinds of mental problems.

It's no wonder that so many young men today are incels given their developmental and lifestyle problems outlined above. Previous generations (Gen X, Boomers, etc.) didn't have these problems to anywhere near the same degree.

Well, the UK should be a focus because we're British. I don't know what's happening in France or Germany because I don't live there. You don't either but I think we can safely say the situation in the UK is bad.

https://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2 ... er-supply/

That's from 2014-15 and it has got worse. Though yes, you're right. Toxins are everywhere and especially in the food chain and they are problems but the UK does have a rampant drug problem, probably the worst in Europe and you can see the societal effects.

[Shemp]

As for the issues at hand, like I mentioned in a previous post, everything is subject to cycles and you simply have to wait for the scale to tip in the opposite direction. This is the Daoist principle of Wu Wei — action of non-action — but it really means acting in accordance with natural cycles and trends rather than futilely forcing action against the current.

This feminism trend simply needs to exhaust itself. People are increasingly getting sick and tired of all the ugly excesses of "progressivism" (nothing really progressive about it) and "wokeism" and anything even remotely associated with them. Society is rapidly veering to the right of the political spectrum in response. Soon feminism will be called into question and repudiated.

All of this stuff is cyclical.

Completely agree.

It should be obvious by now that USA-Europe-Israel alliance is losing badly in world war against the China-Russia-Iran alliance. The next shoe to drop is the collapse of the LLM AI bubble, which is unprofitable now and shows no possibility of producing profits in the future (machine intelligence like robots and medical diagnostics is another story). AI bubble collapse plus coming Russian total victory in Ukraine will cause all sorts of economic and political realignments in USA and Europe. Final result will be that western societies will no longer be able to pamper childless women and single mothers like now. Women who want children will be forced to act more pleasant to get a quality husband to help pay for child rearing. Society will start to scorn feminist ideas and feminist women. These change will play out over several decades, no quick reversal of the trend.

These changes will not help men in the bottom 70% by attractiveness, however. First, women are naturally hypergamous and never want low quality men nor does any modern society naturally encourage low quality men to breed, now that idiot level manual labor is no longer necessary. Second, there will still be many feminist women for several decades and they will probably get even nastier as society starts to scorn then, and this reduces supply of desirable women. Third, bottom 20% of women are born hopelessly undesirable, same as bottom 40% of men. So if a man is bottom 40% by birth, he should resign himself to being a bachelor and pay whores occasionally to experience real sex with a woman. If born top 60%, he needs to work on himself to get to top 30%, especially with regards to money and social skills, if he wants to be attractive to desirable women. (Exact percentages are less important than concepts illustrated by these numbers which i just made up.)