Russia's Invasion of Ukraine, aka "Putin's Special Operation"

[Winston]

I don't get why Ukrainians are willing to give up their lives for land. That's a stupid senseless trade. No way is land more valuable than human life. Also it's stupid that European leaders won't compromise with Putin or make any concessions. All they want is total victory.

So if China invades Taiwan and starts killing people Taiwan should just give their land to China? That sets a precedent that one nation can just take over another nation by killing people.

If Ukraine gives into putin he is just going to keep going - the rest of Ukraine and other nations. Poland, Moldova, Latvia, Estonia and more.

You gotta think these things through.

Also Ukrainians don't want to live under Russian tyranny. Some of them do but most do not

There's no evidence that Putin wants to capture more European countries. That's paranoid fearmongering. Even if he wanted to, he doesn't have the power or manpower to do it. His army is inept and not as good as Hitler's. If he can't even capture Kyiv, how can he capture all of Europe? That makes no sense and is a contradiction that Prof. Jeffrey Sachs and Prof. John Mearsheimer have pointed out many times. So the EU leaders don't make sense. They claim Putin can't take Kyiv, but he can take all of Europe? That's a discrepancy.

Either way, there's no logic in sacrificing lives for land. Land is not that big of a deal. One can just move abroad. You don't own the land, so why would you die for it? Only brainwashed NPCs think that way and would die for nothing. Self-aware beings don't do that.

You either live under a foreign tyranny or a local tyranny. There's no difference. Especially in America. Mel Gibson pointed this out in the movie "The Patriot" from 2000.

[Voyager1]

Not everyone can just 'move abroad'. Many have family ties, property and work.

What you're saying just encourages nations to indiscriminately bomb civilian populations so they can obtain land, which is exactly what putin is trying to do. he thinks that by killing civilians - babies, toddlers, women, children that Ukraine is going to capitulate and give up their land.

Zelensky would be ill-advised to make any land swap deal. putin has never kept his word.

[Yohan]

I don't get why Ukrainians are willing to give up their lives for land. That's a stupid senseless trade. No way is land more valuable than human life. Also it's stupid that European leaders won't compromise with Putin or make any concessions. All they want is total victory.

@Winston

You should see it from the other side.

I do not get why Russians are willing to give up their lives since more than 3 years to occupy about 20 % of a much smaller neighbouring country. Is their own vast but undeveloped land still not large enough?

It is not the first time that Russia is doing this, it invaded Hungary, killed the president and invaded Czechoslovakia arresting its president and sent him to a prison in Russia.

Russia invaded 4 small Japanese islands shortly after WWII after the Japanese surrender to USA and is refusing to give them back to Japan - therefore Russia remains the only country in the world without any peace treaty with Japan. Russia best friend is North Korea, a country which has no diplomatic relationship with Japan.

North Korea is sending 10.000s of its soldiers to help Russia to occupy Ukraine, but many of them died. For what?

About the Ukrainians, I consider their military actions as a form of self-defense. They do not want to live in a country controlled by Russia.
The Russian soldiers at the beginning of the war were already only a few miles away when they tried to occupy the international airport in Kyiv. Their orders were to remove the Ukrainian government but they failed.

About Europeans, many of them considering the history of their nations, they made bad experience with Russia in the past and do not want to live in a West-East Europe again, divided by the infamous 'iron curtain border'.

[Voyager1]

Either way, there's no logic in sacrificing lives for land. Land is not that big of a deal.

Life without land is meaningless. Look at those Palestinians who lost their homes and apartments in Gaza. Sleeping out in the open concrete. Some of their children starving.

Look at the Ukrainians who lost their apartments due to putin's bombings. Nowhere to go.

Life without land is meaningless

[Yohan]

There's no evidence that Putin wants to capture more European countries. That's paranoid fearmongering. Even if he wanted to, he doesn't have the power or manpower to do it. His army is inept...

This is not true. Putin was seriously threatening Finland and Sweden (which has not even a land border with Russia) with military actions should they dare after the invasion of Ukraine to join NATO.

Both countries quickly joined NATO given up their long time of neutrality because they consider Putin's threats to become true anytime.

Also the defenceless 3 small Baltic countries and Moldova were mentioned by Putin to expect military intervention by Russia.

Funny that there is even a Russian talk going on to demand that Alaska should be given back to Russia. Well, but I guess this is not so easy....